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Re: Proper Representation for You

So far so good.

What's the answer to the comms breakdown. We are seeing what can't be done, what can?

I wont reproduce my email here but when I wrote to the project manager asking why nothing had been done I was informed that they 'thought a reply had been sent to my initial complaint', none was and were 'unaware of more than the one instance about which I had compained'. Yet all of the offensive posts had been edited. Either someone isn't talking or someone isn't listening, or both.

How do we create an open and transparent communications network to WCG? Some of you seem to know what doesn't work. What might?

Cheers. ozylynx smile
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Hi ozylynx,
An email to bbover3 certainly gets attention and tends to get results. I don't know what his inbox looks like, but several things got re-prioritized recently, so your email might be one of the causes.

You have probably noticed that he is not given to discussing things until they are out of beta and running, at which time knreed or nelsoc or uplinger announce them. There is a lot running on the internal beta right now that they are trying to push out the door before Christmas.

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I got replies to all the emails I sent recently regarding those recent posts - they didn't say much in reply but they did let me know things were being looked at and some kind of action would be taken, as now appears to be the case.

Would have been nice to have the action taken earlier though!

As regards CA powers I'm with Harvey on this, I wouldn't like to see it go back to the bad old days - CA's are members of teams and would always be putting themselves up for allegations of bias.

The CA's do a great job in their capacity as Community Advisors, and long may it continue.
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Hi Keith I'm back from the land of nod

It went something like this.....

Coup away Keith you know who would be right behind you up at the front wink

ozylynx I'm not sure what we would have to vote on (looks like this might not be possible in light of Lawrence’s post above) If you could give examples though as to when a crunching decision could be made like this I'm keen to understand

here's how it works at the moment

The general hubbub of the forum goes along Points PC issues projects how are we doing feedback new kids on the block stats all that kind of thing. In amongst the crowd you have these keen crunchers in there helping out giving advice noting that cruncher X Y and Z have the same problem is this the tip of the Iceberg these are your CA's

Now at the end of a hard day at the Coal Face your CA's have somewhere where they can go and chew the cud. Lick their wounds if the have been chewed up badly and generally raise the issues of the day with each other and IBM (The current hot topic being fair(er) points allocation to which plans are afoot). Now I'm sure you are aware (hence this post) that there has been a bit of a disconnect between ourselves and IBM but this has been recognised and is being worked upon. We can talk with the IBM Project Manager bbover3 and the rest of the WCG Crew knreed, Alther, nelsoc to name but a few.

But I have to admit it's a bit like turning a Supertanker most of the time but rest assured if we shout loud enough for long enough we do get heard eventually.

Keith I think this was the gist of what I was trying to say before my mouse caused the BSOD yesterday but it has provided me with an opportunity to make a point about how the CA's work

What is this image trying to say to me?



It says I'll stubbornly back a good product when I see one (even if it has a Microsoft Label on it <- little aside just for Sekerob) but there is plainly a underlying problem that someone needs to do something about in this case

This is where your CA's with their eyes and ears to the ground can feedback valuable considered info back to IBM - no fly by nights

Over to you

Dave
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ps it's a Microsoft Trackball Optical 1.0 PS2/USB Compatible

which normally looks like this



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Oh how I LOVE senility! crying I had completely forgotten about our backlevel forum software. SIGH!!!
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Thank you David et al.

The response has been wonderful.

I know that most of my suggestions are at best 'half-baked' Hey I'm only new to most of this, what do you expect? The aim of course is to get some obviously very capable people thinking and tjis looks like a great start. smile

I still maintain the need for efficient liason between the project and the crunchers. It appears that amechanism of sorts is in place and for the moment, might even be working to some extent.
Happy for now.

I might even join some beta test for the new scoring system, if they'll have me and my weird collection of old to aincient hardware laughing

Cheers. ozylynx smile
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If I thought for a second that the forum regulars represented a typical cross-section of the WCG crunching membership, then I would push for some sort of democratic representation. But I don't.

At the moment, Community Advisor positions are by invitation only. From time to time IBM will ask the existing CAs if there is anyone in the running. Potential nominees are fairly easy to spot. They are the ones doing the job already.

However, I'm sure the WCG staff would consider a nomination "from the floor" so to speak. So, if you feel really strongly that someone ought to be a CA but isn't, then feel free to say so. Perhaps, to avoid hurt feelings, it may be better if such a nomination were to be made by email. Also, you should get the nominee's permission first. This would a) avoid wasting time volunteering someone for a job they don't want, and b) prevent duplicate nominations.

No need to do anything like that just yet, though. The latest recruits are still being processed.
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Hi Didy.

I'm not certain if you were directing your comment to me or not. If so, that was never my intent. What I have suggested is a representation of the crunchers in a 'formal' setting where clear directions can be planned and agreed upon. It would seem that the mechanism is in place but perhaps hasn't been working as intended.

I for one am quite happy with the CAs. Their part in this was never in question as far as I am concerned. The only time I mentioned election was in my first post, which is clearly not a feasible option. It was the CAs I had in mind as prime candidates anyway. Time and again people with qualifications other than cruncher stated in various ways that, "we're talking but nobody's listening". This is what I sought to redress.

If I feel that something ia amiss, as a now retired trouble shooter for a major national network, I will always offer a positive, if misguided, alternative. That's my way of doing things. Due to my inexperience in this field, I fully expect my offerings to be shot full of holes, I also expect more experienced people to offer something better. That's beginning to happen. biggrin

Cheers. ozylynx smile
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After reading all this I'm left with these thoughts:
1)You have some pretty good and caring CA's here.
2)They all need powers to lock a thread and delete an offensive post.
3)They have to be answerable to one guy who has shown that he is impartial for their actions and know that they could be "called on the carpet" to explain any actions.
4)IBM needs to understand the importance both morally and legally of running a public forum.
5) You'd be much better off with better software that would make your job easier.There is forum software that will allow a mod(CA) to go into a post and just remove offensive words if the rest of the post is worth leaving. Like surgery, not necessary to kill the patient if the finger has gangrene.
6) Last, by and large you have a great group of people here who care and thats what is important.
Best wishes on solving these issues.
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