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lower initial replication=more speed

Hello,
is i possible to lower to minimum quorum and initial replication to 2 instead of 3? So everything will be much faster: more science can be done in a smaller amount of time, the credits will be granted quicker.

Is double checking not enough or do we need 3 identical results?

Other projects, like Simap or Einstein have it too.

Thanks for thinking about it smile
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Re: lower initial replication=more speed

WCG have already lowered the quorum from 4 to 3. We can't currently go any lower because 3 is guaranteed to the project scientists. Some projects need that degree of confirmation for their results, and WCG have guaranteed to deliver it.

This doesn't mean that future projects may not agree a different quorum level with WCG, if they want to get work done more quickly and they don't need that margin of error.
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Re: lower initial replication=more speed

Going below a quorum of 3 might produce incorrect results on some occasions. We run a huge amount of work and once in a while we see a duplicate failure.

However, we are going to try a new backend validation approach that will effectively need almost no duplication of work, yet yield quality results. This will only be possible for certain kinds of research projects, such as HPF2, which should resume soon. For those kinds of projects which have many calendar years of work, this will be a substantial speedup and a great benefit to the researchers. We will see how it goes with HPF2 and if all works well, certain other of our projects will be able to take advantage of this approach as well. So please stay tuned.
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Re: lower initial replication=more speed

Excellent new Viktors, thanks for keeping us in the know mate wink wink

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Re: lower initial replication=more speed

Going below a quorum of 3 might produce incorrect results on some occasions. We run a huge amount of work and once in a while we see a duplicate failure.

However, we are going to try a new backend validation approach that will effectively need almost no duplication of work, yet yield quality results. This will only be possible for certain kinds of research projects, such as HPF2, which should resume soon. For those kinds of projects which have many calendar years of work, this will be a substantial speedup and a great benefit to the researchers. We will see how it goes with HPF2 and if all works well, certain other of our projects will be able to take advantage of this approach as well. So please stay tuned.


That's exellent news indeed. cool

Just another thought (slightly off-topic):
You state that there will be projects which last for many calendar years. In that case it might be worthwile to develop specific clients for specific instruction sets, and even maybe for GPU's (IF they prove to be as fast as promised).
Of course I understand that for a relatively short running project there will be not such clients on short therm, but for projects that run for a very long time, it might be very interesting.
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