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Former Member
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I'm fairly new to UD as I have an old version of BOINC (new version setup file needs a file from a CD/Disc - error?).
I've noticed when I turn off my computer or UD, a new HDC work unit is downloaded and started each time. Does that mean I need to complete each work unit before turning off to be helpful on this project? I wanted shorter runtimes than the FAAH project, but that one keeps current progres (to a point) when turned off. Thoughts? Rowan |
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Hello darkzone58,
Something has gone wrong on your computer. HDC has a very effective check point routine. BOINC has useful error logs, so the best thing is to try to get BOINC up and running on your system. Try downloading from http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php?all_platforms=1 What is the missing file named when you try to install? Is it a system file that SFC can fix (see http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=7001#56706 )? What does Belarc Advisor say (a System Diagnostic from the Useful Utilities thread at http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=2490 )? Lawrence |
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Former Member
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Thanks for the ideas.
Ok, after 6 hrs I've finished my first HDC. Now I can restart and try things without losing too much progress. Does HDC save at regular check points? Or at the 25% mark? New Boinc didn't work: "Insert the 'Boinc' disc and click ok" Boinc.msi Press Cancel and it says "Error 1706" and stops installation. This also occurs on a university computer when I tried installing so that problem doesn't seem specific to my computer. I've tried looking at the System File Checker, but having the known issue of having to insert the XP Professional disc (even though I have XP home ed). This might take a bit longer to sort out. Belarc Advisory came up with nothing out of the ordinary (AMD 2000ghz, 1000+mb ram ect. "United Devices, Inc. - World Community Grid Agent Version 3.00.2844" Should I perservere with SFC (long involved process) or Boinc? Rowan |
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Former Member
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It could be that you lack the permissions to install properly. This could also prevent UD from saving checkpoints.
----------------------------------------The only other possibility I see is that you are trying to use an unofficial version of BOINC. Get the official version from Berkeley. Correction: you DO lack the permissions needed to install. The installation is failing because it can't extract the BOINC.msi file to a temporary folder. If you think you should have permissions to install, then I suggest you consider reinstalling Windows, because it is very, very broken. You will not have the required permissions to install anything on a university computer. [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at Sep 23, 2006 8:35:04 AM] |
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Sekerob
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I'd do the System File System check routine and have it reinstall any missing / damaged items.....if u have 'system restore' active u possibly could revert to a previous working windoz....u'd loose all the registry changes and installs since the last good restore point......run the sfc /scanonce instruction in a dos/cmd window then boot for it to execute.
----------------------------------------On HDC, to my knowledge the present HDC's consist of 4 segments....if needing to stop the system, peek at what % u are....also u could follow the (scheduled) hibernation path, if its your routine to close the machine for the night. bona fortuna PS personally i'd not touch Windows Defender with a long pole....it has caused me some major grieve....AdAware + Spybot periodic scanning with a good firewall+antivir (Kerio PF + Alwil Avast) and a save browser like Firefox + Noscript add-in, have kept me clean for a long long time....and this is all for free and is third party....and updates automatically daily, rather than the MS BS of only fixing things on patch Tuesday. AND it tells u about what it's doing!
WCG
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Former Member
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Regarding permissions to install - I don't run user accounts and I checked that every log on is the administrator. With university computers, we have full access and can download and install anything (literally!!). So this makes me a little skeptical that the Boinc prob is to do with permissions.
I've run the SFC and nothing came up (once it finished, it closed itself). I reinstalled the UD and will check if the problem of not saving work persists a bit later on (seems I'm on comp all day so might as well get a work unit through). I think I'll give it a go stopping at one of the % quarters and let you know. Cheers Rowan |
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I don't believe you. Sorry. No University provides unrestricted access. Of course, if the admins know what they are doing, you will never notice this. Software that can be installed "per user" will work fine, but other software (like BOINC) won't.
Sadly, this isn't a simple matter of login rights. It also depends on your NTFS security. Now, normally someone running XP Home has no control over security at all. But you told us you have XP Home and Professional - clearly you have got into a tangle, with an old harddrive that has permissions set on it that you can no longer modify. Fortunately, I have a solution for you, both for your university problem and for your home problem (although I strongly advise you to reformat your hard drive instead). All the information you need is here: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=6656 This particular package is for a slightly out of date version, but it should work fine. Please follow the instructions carefully. (Note to self: must update installer.) Let me know if it doesn't work. |
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I followed the instructions : downloaded and extracted the zip file to the same folder, ran the bat file but it didn't have an error message like the forum mentioned, it just ran and closed itself. Then the Boinc installer still looks for Boinc.msi and cancels installation.
I tried various variances to the instructions afterward - no luck. But this NTFS security thing sounds interesting, microsoft website has a lot of tech words on this. I think I'll agree to disagree with the uni comps (doesn't really matter), i say this as installed programs aren't by a per user basis - they operate with no problems for all users who log on afterwards. It was a installation problem (I've never seen this in all of my use of these comps) I don't have both XP home and professional ed's, just home ed. The professional was in relation to the System File Checker looking for the wrong disc - discussion sites mention this is a known error with XP home ed. Just curious, has anyone out there actually installed the latest Boinc setup file without problems?? So I'm back at square one! Don't have the latest Boinc = can't use HDC on my version. My UD appears to not save increments (but will test at 25% marker soon). Why is it so hard to help out  ??Thanks for all of your help so far. I'm still hopeful something will work! Rowan |
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If what you say is true, then your university system administrators need taking out and shooting. Seriously. That is simply unacceptable, and I've never heard of such an incompetent setup ever. It's just not done. Want to name and shame this institution you attend?
Thousands of people have installed BOINC without any issues. How about you search your harddrive for boinc.msi? To use the instructions I gave in the other thread, you will have to download this version of BOINC . It looks like it doesn't work with the latest version. I'll fix that when I can find some spare time. Sorry about that. Running the bat file should start the installation. If it does nothing, it hasn't worked. |
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Some odd developments since my last post! I downloaded the older version of Boinc, ran the bat file (nice how it starts the setup!), but same problem - still looks for Boinc.msi.
I searched C: and found a couple fo these files (seems Windows loves stuffing files behind the scenes), but the installation didn't like these files (picky isn't it). The plot thickens - I tried to uninstall my old version of Boinc through 'Add/Delete Programs' but I couldn't as it too wants a file called Boinc.msi. Now I concede that my computer might have issues! Earlier I reinstalled the UD which may (or not) account for work now being saved when I shut down and restart. Yes, it appears something has clicked in my computer and it works  ... for now.As for my University, I'm not telling  ! I love the freedom it allows and think it should be praised, not shamed. It's really helpful if you want to learn how something works (but I admit it's a little irritating when someone installs Windows Vista!). It's somewhere in Melbourne, Australia.Thanks for all you help Rowan |
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