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Former Member
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Okay, I'm still confused. You keep talking about a "BOINC site" like it's something that actually exists. I rather get the impression you are talking about the part of BOINC that is only accessible to the project administrators. Believe me, the forum, user accounts and BOINC accounts are integrated. Doing it was considerably harder than just using an out-of-the-box BOINC install, and credit goes to the WCG techs for pulling it off.
----------------------------------------The information you talk about cannot be made public. Privacy laws prevent it, as does the WCG privacy policy. Why should you want to make so much information public, anyway? Or perhaps you are confused because the BOINC functionality at WCG is so well integrated you can't see where the BOINC parts stop and the UD parts start, or identify the bits that are purely WCG. Again, I don't see this as a disadvantage. WCG are running two grid agents in parallel with great success. All the large BOINC projects customise the default BOINC forum software and statistics pages to suit themselves. Only the tiny little here today, gone tomorrow projects just use the standard pages without modification. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Sep 8, 2006 7:27:06 AM] |
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Former Member
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Okay, I'm still confused. You keep talking about a "BOINC site" like it's something that actually exists. I rather get the impression you are talking about the part of BOINC that is only accessible to the project administrators. Believe me, the forum, user accounts and BOINC accounts are integrated. Doing it was considerably harder than just using an out-of-the-box BOINC install, and credit goes to the WCG techs for pulling it off. To the participant there does appear to be a standard BOINC site. http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/ This one is pretty much what the participant expects from an unmodified new project's web package. Here are a couple of other project sites that have made only minor modifications to the package: http://www.malariacontrol.net/ http://dist.ist.tugraz.at/cape5/ http://lhcathome.cern.ch/ It is also possible to make more extensive modifications and still maintain a good deal of the "feel" a BOINC participant expects: http://qah.uni-muenster.de/ http://www.nano-hive.org/atHome/ |
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uplinger
Former World Community Grid Tech Joined: May 23, 2005 Post Count: 3952 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Honza,
The database, forums and user accounts are all connected. Individual users can look into what results they have returned and sort through them by Machine. To do this, go to "My Grid" then select the link on the left "Device Manager". After that you will see a link for "Results Status". This is where members can look up their own results and check their validation state. Also, the Techs do have the ability to look up that specific information about member machines. If a person wants to post what type of machine they have then they are welcome to do so in the forums when asking for help. Hope that answers some questions, -Uplinger |
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Former Member
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Honza, The database, forums and user accounts are all connected. . . . . . . . . . . If a person wants to post what type of machine they have then they are welcome to do so in the forums when asking for help. -Uplinger Please check out the site: linuxquestions.org for users with the OS software and machines they have. This info is initially/easily recorded with their first login and is then updated by the user as nesessary. This feature could be productive for UD and BOINC system maintenance in addition to curious users (seperate public and private info). Do we "The" WCG have a FAQ series and then a NSFAQ (Not So Freequently AQ) series ?? There is much information here but subjects/solutions, etc. are scattered about and I find it difficult going back and forth to find info. Could be bad case of "old timers" desease here :>) Hope I remember where I posted this note since we don't have an auto-email the thread link button. |
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
In 'Oldtimer' days, gray cells were used....specially for u as an 'noob'timer (in WCG terms) https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/mywatch.....sits in the My Forum Profile
----------------------------------------Signed Almost Real Oldtimer PS, there is a Forum Wishlist Thread....feel free to visit and add.
WCG
----------------------------------------Please help to make the Forums an enjoyable experience for All! [Edit 1 times, last edit by Sekerob at Sep 8, 2006 3:03:17 PM] |
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Former Member
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The database, forums and user accounts are all connected. Individual users can look into what results they have returned and sort through them by Machine. To do this, go to "My Grid" then select the link on the left "Device Manager". After that you will see a link for "Results Status". This is where members can look up their own results and check their validation state. Also, the Techs do have the ability to look up that specific information about member machines. If a person wants to post what type of machine they have then they are welcome to do so in the forums when asking for help. Thanks for answer. The database, forums and user accounts are all connected. Yes, INSIDE, not for a user. on BOINC webs - you can click users profile on forum and see his computers/results (if enabled by user), it is possible to see how much he/she contributes overall, lately etc. It is not possible here. Take an example - now, you are asking beta testers to check their results. (I would assume every tester cares about outcome of what a computer produce and report, that's a tester's task). On BOINC beta sites, we are used NOT to have machines hidden so other testers can see what machine is running, what BOINC version, what OS, what aplication version and actually help. On BOINC projects, I can you Opera browser. Not on WCH (:- Haven't get any answer on this point. WCG usernames policy does prevent me from using BAM! Will it change eventually? I'm not talking about any private information like e-mails address, IP address - I'm also taking privacy seriously and we have been discussing this on CPDN in depth and at lenght. I'm talking about what is visible on standard BOINC projects via forum and users profiles, all integrated into single web accesable by a user. (I wasn't takling about what is visible for moderator or admins over the web or directly in databases.). Again, it is fine that WCG has it's own navigation scheme and unfamiliar which those of BOINC (one may get used to it, even it takes time and is ineffective for BOINCers) but user's profiles/hosts/results/forum is not integreted for participants over the web. I'm sure any BOINCers understand my points...sorry I can't express better in English now... To be back on topic, my 3 beta results went fine. (I can see that other 3 anonymous testers did also fine but can't check who, on what computers, what BOINC version etc. as I would be able on BOINC websites) |
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Former Member
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Suggestions are welcome, of course.
However, switching straight over to a pure BOINC system would be a huge step backwards. It's not going to happen. Enhancements like better forum integration will happen in time. Changes like releasing potentionally personal information will not happen. And they don't need to: unlike other grid projects, the WCG techs are quick to look up the details and suggest a solution themselves - unlike a certain other grid I could name, where members are left out in the cold. You still haven't explained the problem with Opera. Which version, for a start? |
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knreed
Former World Community Grid Tech Joined: Nov 8, 2004 Post Count: 4504 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Hon_za,
We are aware of the differences between the 'standard' BOINC php based website and what we have on display on this website. We are slowly adding some of the features that 'standard' BOINC websites have. Please continue to express your opinions about what features you feel are missing and most critical. Please be specific as that focuses our attention on those. We cannot promise that they will be added or how quickly they will be added - however I can tell you that user input is definitely considered when we plan what changes we will implement going forward. It is unlikely that we will be changing our unique member name policy. However, I will contact Willy at BOINCStats and ask him if he could add the ability to enter in the Account Key manually for a project. This would let you register your account here with BAM! regardless of your member name (the only thing your member name and password is used for is to do a lookup for your authenticator). Also - can we resume this discussion in the 'Suggestions' forum? thanks, Kevin |
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Former Member
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I agree with Hon_za on a few points. I think it's very helpful for everyone to be able to see the results and error messages for other members. Look through the threads here and see how often help providers have to ask the members to provide machine details, crunch reports, error logs, etc. See how often they fail to provide some or all of the information when requested to do so because they don't know where to find it or how to post it or whatever. That's all so much easier with the regular BOINC style website you see at other projects. And many members at those projects are in the habit of automatically posting a link to their machine and result info when they first report a problem. If WCG can somehow enable that then hope they will do so next time they update the website code. Remember, members have the option of hiding their info if they chose so privacy is not an issue.
On the other hand, we have to remember that WCG uses 2 agents, not just BOINC. It may not be possible to provide a standard BOINC style website that works for both agents. Perhaps WCG will slowly migrate away from UD and use only BOINC but that will take a long time. Regarding the duplicate name issue, having 2 people with the same name posting in these forums would create unnecessary confusion. Nobody here wants that and there will be fierce opposition if the admins allow it. It's very easy to change names at any of the projects I've seen. Forgive me if I'm missing something simple but I just don't see how Hon_za can have a problem with names. |
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Former Member
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Honza, Thank you for your response and contributing in the Beta. The 500 units of work actually mean 1500 workunits are sent out as it follows the standard distribution policy that is run on our BOINC projects. The reason there is not a zoom is because of the template being used that shows the logo's without distortion. I have put your suggestions down about the graphics so that we can review them later for improving on them. Thank you again, -Uplinger A minor point, but I believe you mean 2000 workunits vice 1500. My Results Status for the Beta workunits shows them "sent/waiting to be sent" to four hosts, not three as for standard WCG packages.  |
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