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gordoncarruthers
Cruncher United Kingdom Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 6 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Apologies if this has been asked before.
I have a print server which was used for crunching before at 100%. Its processor is rated at 366MHz and has 512Mb of RAM. OK it couldn't be used for the Cancer project, all the momory slots are full, however 100% of its 366MHz processor could be dedicated to the other projects 99.99% of the time. However there is a threshold criteria of 550MHz, however with the CPU throttling, 60% of 550MHz is 330MHz ?! Have WCG dropped the ball a bit on this one ? i.e. Machines are ineligible despite the fact that their 100% rating is higher than other machines 60% rating ? Gordon. |
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
Hi gordoncarruthers,
----------------------------------------....it's simply, that the new default (2 or 3 months so) is to only 'steal' 60% of the idle time instead of 100%. There is a throttle tool to bring it back up to whatever level u like.... Throttle, but would the majority know.....there was no real pro-active add campaign on it.....been discussed elsewhere ad nauseam.... thus 60% of 366 would have returned a WU probably too late.......well i think its still 3 weeks Wall Clock and 2 weeks CPU time. Lets see what WCG got to say...if there is anything to add. ciao Link for those that dont know: System Requirements
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Former Member
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Gordon,
Your math is correct and the contradiction is obvious. Yet the solution is not to allow 366 MHz machines into the project because then it can be reasoned that a 266 MHz machine at 100% is faster than a 366 MHz machine at 60% so 266 MHz should be allowed in also. The line has to be drawn somewhere otherwise they have to let people crunch with an abacus. There are a number of very worthwhile projects where a 366MHz machine meets the minimum requirements, the SIMAP and Malaria Control projects, for example. Check out the list at http://boinc.berkeley.edu. |
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gordoncarruthers
Cruncher United Kingdom Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 6 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Dagorath,
My point is that a threshold has been set which in some respcts has no validity as to the reasoning behind it. Due to the 60% throttling, WCG have effectively set the bar of a machine being regarded "useful" at 330 MHz and not the 550MHz claimed. By allowing 366MHz machines at 100%, I would not by extension say that 266MHz machines should be allowed as they are faster than a 366MHz machine at 60% as that is below 330MHz. I would have thought that there was a way to use the processor speed and the throttling value to determine whther or not a machine could take part in a project when the client connects by comparing this to the threshold vale. There again, processor speed is only part of the "equation", becuase then there is the question of whether machines run 24/7 or not. It all comes down to the fact I suppose that a line has to be drawn somewhere even if it does create some anomalous situations. WCG would need more sophisticated software to take all the variations into account. I suppose you could even design and write the software to put client PCs on "probation" as to which projects they could work on until a picture of the pattern of usage had been built up with WCG, which then farmed out the most appropriate work for them to do (until the dropped completely off the "usefulness scale"). Just find it interesting that with the throttling control, I can set my 3.4GHz processor to 10% and still do valuable crunching even although this machine would be contributing less ! On with the quest ! Gordon. |
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Viktors
Former World Community Grid Tech Joined: Sep 20, 2004 Post Count: 653 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
The minimum throttle setting is 25%. If a 300 mhz machine set the throttle to 25%, it could take a very long time for the machine to finish a work unit. The time between checkpoints increases so these machines may often go back to the prior checkpoint and have additional difficulty finishing the work unit, if the machine is not on 24/7. The lower we set the minimum, the longer our computation pipeline becomes, so this ends up requiring us to use more storage on the servers. So, the minimum may be slightly arbitrary, but we chose this primarily for the above reasons.
Having said this, we will have some new projects soon which take less memory and cpu. We will also try to focus these projects preferentially to smaller, slower machine to have them be more productive. |
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gordoncarruthers
Cruncher United Kingdom Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 6 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Viktors,
Thanks for that update. Hopefully my print server machine will become "active" at some point in the future again. I'll keep an eye on announcements and force it to reconnect as appropriate. Given the low price of memory I may even upgrade it to allow processing on Cancer in the emantime (didn't want to do that initially as knowing my luck thought the work would run out or the threshold for subsequent projects would be higher !). Despite being part of the "greater good" for over a year that was my first post. I must say that having come from "another place" the professionalism and responsiveness of those running and administering the projects here is impressive ! Gordon. |
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Former Member
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Gordon,
Why not install BOINC on that computer and attach it to a project where it meets the minimum requirements? There is a list of very worthwhile projects at the BOINC website. SIMAP and Malaria Control have fairly low minimum requirements and tons of work. |
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