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Re: Did they land on the moon?

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Re: Did they land on the moon?

There's lots of debate and with Hubble powerful enough to photograph details down to the meter...


Where do you get your information!!!

Consider the following that I stole from the best moon hoax site on the net: http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax/ (Dave beat me to it!) :)

Why don't we just point Hubble or some other big telescope at the moon to show the moon landing sites? Wouldn't that settle the argument once and for all?

If only it was that easy! The biggest problem with this is that they simply are not powerful enough. The lunar landers are very,very,very small in astronomical terms and they're pretty far away as well. There isn't a telescope in existence that could take a picture of one.

There are lots of mathematics we could show to demonstrate this, but's it's very complicated and we don't fully understand it anyway. But here's our abridged dumbed-down version.

Size of Lunar Module. Let's be really generous and say 10m square.
Distance between Hubble and Moon. About 350, 000km.
This works out as an visual angle of (10m)/(3.5 x 10^8m) * (180/PI) = 1.6 x 10^-6 degrees = 6 milliarcseconds.
The WFPC2 'telescope' on Hubble has the following resolution: 800x800 pixels of a 35 arcseconds field of view with a pixel scale of 46 milliarcseconds. Actually resolution in practice is a little below this.
So what does this all mean? Well, roughly speaking, it means that the lunar lander would have to be 15 times larger before it would even cause a dot on a Hubble picture.

(We have to thank Terry Hancock for helping us out with this info. You didn't think we worked it out ourselves, did you? If there's any errors in it, they almost certainly lie with our interpretation of his explanation.)

or, to look at it another way....
We stole the following off a NASA discussion board. We would usually just link to it, but discussion messages have a habit of expiring and this was too good to lose. Ed Cheng explains there's a law of physics that would prevent Hubble seeing the Lunar Module, and it's to do with the size of its light collecting mirror.

The wavelength of visible light is around 550x10^-9m (i.e. very very small).
The diameter of Hubble's mirror is 2.4m.
Highest ever physically possible resolution = 1.4 x 550 x 10^-9 /2.4 m = 3.2 x 10^-7 radians
At a distance of 350,000km this works out as about 124 metres. As Ed says, roughly the size of a football field.
So even if Hubble's camera had a greater resolution, it still couldn't see the Lunar Module.

But doesn't this same Hubble take photos of things billions of light years away? Yup.

Makes you feel very very very small, doesn't it?
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Re: Did they land on the moon?

That http://www.redzero.demon.co.uk/moonhoax kompletely kicks k00k butt!! Mine is severely bruised and aching. Ouch!!

OK Dave, you win this one applause
Sek, you're on your own now good luck

< removes kook suit and hides it at the back of the clothes closet >
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Re: Did they land on the moon?

biggrin good old google except that I didn't google it because they don't like it

I tell you who does kick butt though =PiA= over at

http://www.wcgwiki.org/spreadtheword/top10.cfm

looking invincible anyone want to take up the challenge?
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biggrin good old google except that I didn't google it because they don't like it


I'll have the google google google google google altavista spam wensledale and google please. :D
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laughing a few in the thread went hook, line and sinker.....for me to know, for u to guess, which side i'm on....see the subliminals laughing

Dave.....i like the Albert Szent-Gyorgyi quote...most of the time its the idea 'eyes wide shut' we all go at different paces making our own. blushing
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Re: Did they land on the moon?

Why don't we start a "DidWeLandAtTheMoon@home". biggrin

It could calculate the probability of it being a hoax. wink
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Why don't we start a "DidWeLandAtTheMoon@home". biggrin

It could calculate the probability of it being a hoax. wink


already been done ....

http://www.didwelandonthemoon.com/
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Conspiracy theorists….
Without them what would I have to laugh at… Let me see if I can make things clearer for you http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEhelp/ApolloLaser.html in 1969 the apollo 11 astronauts left 38 cm reflector panel on the moon. They have been using it to this day to make extremely accurate measurements of the distance from the earth to the moon with a lasers.
If they did not have this reflector that was placed by the astronauts, they would not have been able to make these measurements.
Just because NASA does not answer your questions about weather we landed on the moon or not it does not mean we did not, it just means that they are probably laughing too hard at the “science” that was used to make the claim to be able to respond yet (remember they are rocket scientists).
Best of luck on your future endeavors I wish you more success with them,
-Melchior
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