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David Autumns
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Hi Dave,
----------------------------------------Evidently someone used Babelfish .....this 'Xena' is not 113km 'longer' than Pluto, maybe 'wider'..... in tradition this 2nd impostor will get a Greek-Roman name and is thought to have 25% greater circumference than Pluto, sits at 90 AU from the Sun ... and has only once been live seen thru a land based telescope and at millions times less luminance than the northern star not considered a 'bright' object as was put in this article.... white smoke will come from the stag on August 26. So now lets find out what are moons/planet satellite minimum sizes ? ![]() PS, 'StumbleUpon' the 'original' English article yesterday.
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One of the oldest debates in astonomy (well, probably not, but still...)
Sekerob, there's a missing parenthesis there; should read "(113 kilometres) longer", and "longer" is a valid word to use for comparing two distances. Personally, I find it hard to care. The Pluto argument is purely emotional. If we give in to it, we have to promote all sorts of debatable Kuiper Belt objects and asteroids, merely because they are large enough to have satellites or shape themselves with their own gravitation. And don't forget that Pluto has an orbit miles off the ecliptic - an inclination of 17 degrees! And so eccentric that it simply does not compare well with the massive and well-ordered paths of the gas giants and inner planets. |
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agreed but...
----------------------------------------I'm for the purely emotional there have been 9 planets all my days I'm sure there's room for a couple of hundred more however inclined. There was a great article in New Scientist earlier this year. Sek I'm a fan of Google News ![]() Anyhow back to the purely emotional.. It's still an outrage ![]() Dave ![]() ![]() |
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Ach, let the tabloids enjoy their "outrage".
More rational minds will decide this one. I hope. Oh, and Sekerob - Pluto is considerably smaller than Ganymede, Titan, Callisto, Io, the Moon (Luna), Europa, and Triton. |
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Did', definitely too emotional.....hook, line and sinker
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What was wrong with the good old days --- when there were only 4 elements: earth, air, fire, water? One element was even named for a planet. Now we've got the element mercury, named for a planet, Uranium, named for a planet, and Neptunium, named for a planet. Pluto has GOT to be a planet, since Plutonium is named for it. Well, isn't it?
----------------------------------------I saw an article this week about the debate. Are there 8 planets? Option: Throw out both Kuiper objects. Are there 9 planets? Option: Keep Pluto and throw out Xena Option: Keep Xena because it is larger and throw out Pluto Are there 10 planets? Are there 11 planets? Option: What about Vulcan, the intramercurial thingy that somebody almost saw once? A chapter of "Oddities" by Rupert T. Gould also mentions Swift's Planet, Watson's First Planet and Watson's Second Planet.
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there are no planets, only heaven and earth.
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there are no planets, only heaven and earth. WHICH heaven? KJV Bible, 2 Corinthians 12:2 I know someone in Christ who, fourteen years ago (whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows), was caught up to the third heaven. The Qu'ran, Chapter 067.003 Al-Mulk YUSUFALI: He Who created the seven heavens one above another: No want of proportion wilt thou see in the Creation of (Allah) Most Gracious. So turn thy vision again: seest thou any flaw? PICKTHAL: Who hath created seven heavens in harmony. Thou (Muhammad) canst see no fault in the Beneficent One's creation; then look again: Canst thou see any rifts? SHAKIR: Who created the seven heavens one above another; you see no incongruity in the creation of the Beneficent Allah; then look again, can you see any disorder? Which earth? Designation Era Inhabitants Notes First Stated Appearance or Reference Earth-Zero Infinite Crisis A world of Bizarro creatures, much like the Silver Age Bizarro planet, Htrae. One of the proposed names for the post-Crisis DCU after a somewhat definitive timeline was established in the final issue of the Zero Hour miniseries. Infinite Crisis #6, 2006 Earth-One Pre-Crisis DC's Silver Age heroes, including the original Justice League of America: police scientist Barry Allen as The Flash; Hal Jordan as Green Lantern; Thanagarian Katar Hol as Hawkman; and scientist Ray Palmer as the Atom. The default Earth for most of DC's comics during the prolific Multiverse era, Earth-One was by far the most "populous" and greatly explored, and it retained dominance over the other four worlds which were merged in the Crisis on Infinite Earths storyline. The DC Universe's "official" continuity post-Crisis took place on a "merged" Earth-One, as the Crisis indicated this universe was the core existence until rogue Guardian Krona fractured reality at the dawn of creation, creating both the multiverse and the anti-matter universe. More Fun Comics #101, 1945 (original); Flash #123, 1961 (named) Earth-Two Pre-Crisis DC's Golden Age heroes, including the Justice Society of America, whose careers began at the dawn of World War II (concurrent with their first appearances in comics): chemistry student Jay Garrick as the Flash; engineer Alan Scott as Green Lantern; archaeologist Carter Hall as Hawkman; and pint-sized powerhouse Al Pratt as the Atom. Politically, Earth-Two was distinctly different from the Earth-One template modeled after Earth-Prime. For example, Quebec was an independent nation autonomous from Canada, South Africa had abolished apartheid sooner, and the Atlantean countries of Poseidonis and Tritonis were ruled by a queen, not a king (along with its inhabitants displaying surface dweller features and no capacity for underwater survival, as the Atlantis continent had been raised). New Fun Comics #1, 1935 (original); Flash #123, 1961 (named) Earth-Three Pre-Crisis Crime Syndicate of America, evil versions of the Earth-One heroes: Ultraman; Superwoman; Owlman; Power Ring; Johnny Quick; Alexander Luthor; and briefly, Alexander Luthor, Jr.. History was "backwards": American Christopher Columbus discovered Europe; Britain won its freedom from the United States; President John Wilkes Booth was assassinated by actor Abraham Lincoln; and the United States flag's colors were reversed: black stars on a red field,with alternating blue and black stripes. Justice League of America #29, Aug. 1964 Earth-Four Crisis on Infinite Earths The former Charlton Comics heroes: Captain Atom, Blue Beetle, Nightshade, Peacemaker, The Question, Thunderbolt (Peter Cannon), and Judomaster. This Earth was introduced at the beginning of Crisis and gone less than a year later. Yellowjacket #1, 1944 (original) / Crisis on Infinite Earths #1, Apr. 1985 (named) Earth-Six Crisis on Infinite Earths Lady Quark, Lord Volt, and their daughter Princess Fern. Apparently Ruled by a royal family of superheroes (Lord Volt is referred to as the king, and he mentions his family's reign over Earth). On this Earth, America lost the Revolutionary War. Given its appearance, technology seems to have progressed faster on this world as well. It was destroyed in the 'Crisis', with only Lady Quark surviving. Crisis on Infinite Earths #4, June 1985 Earth-Seven Infinite Crisis Dark Angel, an evil analog of Donna Troy The Anti-Monitor saved Dark Angel, just as the Monitor had saved her counterpart Harbinger. The only known survivor of Earth-Seven, she escaped the compression of Crisis on Infinite Earths to torment Donna Troy across several lifetimes, possibly using Hypertime. DC Special: The Return of Donna Troy #4, 2005 Earth-Eight Infinite Crisis Earth-Eight would have been the home of Tim Zanetti (Breach), Kyle Rayner (Ion), Helena Bertinelli (Huntress), and Jason Rusch (Firestorm) had the Multiverse not been destroyed in the Crisis. While fans may speculate as to which other characters might have lived on the previously unseen Earth-Eight, Infinite Crisis writer Geoff Johns mentioned in an interview that "all characters created after Crisis on Infinite Earths are inhabitants of Earth-Eight". (Reference: Wizard Magazine #174). Infinite Crisis #5, 2006 Earth-Twelve Pre-Crisis The Inferior Five: Awkwardman, Blimp, Dumb Bunny, Merryman, and White Feather. This Earth may have been home to other comedic superheroes published by DC. Additionally, references within the series pointed to versions of Justice League members having existed in that universe. Showcase Comics #62, 1966 (original) Oz-Wonderland War #3, 1985 (canonical) Earth-Fourteen Post-Crisis (Incident at Arkham) Purple butterflies No other significance. Animal Man #24, 1990 Earth-Seventeen Post-Crisis (Incident at Arkham) Overman, the Love Syndicate of Dreamworld. Also the world where all pre-Crisis non-Kirby Fourth World tales took place according to The Kingdom #2. Two Earths were accidentally named Earth 17 by Grant Morrison in the Animal Man comic series. The first was a world based on drug culture, the second was based around the gritty and dark style of the 80s. Animal Man #23, 1990 Earth-96 Elseworlds Older versions of the Post-Crisis Earth heroes. A future timeline, in which Superman has been retired for 10 years, following events which severed his ties to humanity. In order to deal with a new, often lawless generation of heroes, Superman reforms the Justice League, a gathering of power which concerns a non-powered group of humans led by Lex Luthor. Kingdom Come #1, 1996 (original); Absolute Crisis on Infinite Earths, 2006 (canonical) Earth-97 Elseworlds "Tangent Comics" characters, including the Joker, an athletic female crimefighter; and the Atom, a super-strong hero manipulated by the government. The Tangent characters were radically re-envisioned solely on the basis of the existing DC trademark. Infinite Crisis #6, 2006 Earth-154 Pre-Crisis Superman Jr. (Clark Kent Jr.) and Batman Jr. (Bruce Wayne Jr.), the Super-Sons, younger versions of their superhero fathers. The sons of Clark Kent and Lois Lane, and Bruce Wayne and Kathy Kane try to live up to or surpass their father's legacies, but usually end up arguing or causing trouble. Their final appearance in World's Finest (#263) claimed the Super-Sons stories were merely computer simulations. The Super-Sons also appeared in the Elseworlds 80-Page Giant, 1999. World's Finest Comics #154, Dec. 1966 (original); Infinite Crisis #6, 2006 (named) Earth-247 Post-Zero Hour The post-Zero Hour version of the Legion of Super-Heroes This 30th-31st century Legion was composed of, among others, Valor, a 20th-century hero from the post-Crisis Earth. These heroes interacted regularly with the heroes of the 20th-21st Century post-Zero Hour Earth, and their Earth was believed to be the genuine future of that Earth. In this version, the Legionnaires had updated, modern names like "Live Wire," instead of "Lightning Lad." This alternate timeline was supposedly undone with the combined might of the 100 sets of alternate-universe Fatal Five counterparts and Superboy-Prime's time tantrums, and yet it reappeared during Infinite Crisis #6. Legion of Super-Heroes #0 (original); Infinite Crisis #6, 2006 (named) Earth-462 Infinite Crisis Depicted: Wonder Woman, Per Degaton, Baron Blitzkrieg, Captain Nazi and the original Teen Titans (Robin, Speedy, Kid Flash, Aqualad and Wonder Girl). Apparently a Golden Age planet still locked in World War II. In very obscure cameos, Wonder Woman and Wonder Girl appear to be Cathy Lee Crosby (who filmed a Wonder Woman pilot movie) and Debra Winger (who appeared as Wonder Girl on the 1970s television series). The remaining Teen Titans (Speedy, Robin, Aqualad and Kid Flash) were all depicted in militaristic uniforms. Infinite Crisis #6, 2006 Earth-898 Infinite Crisis Western heroes. Depicted: Jonah Hex, Bat Lash, Scalphunter, El Diablo, Nighthawk and Cinnamon I. Infinite Crisis #6, 2006 Earth-A Pre-Crisis The Lawless League: alternate, evil versions of Superman, Batman, the Flash, Green Lantern, and the Martian Manhunter. Johnny Thunder's evil Earth-One counterpart created Earth-A when he used Johnny’s Thunderbolt to alter the origins of the Justice League, replacing them with his own henchman, whom he granted powers and skills identical to the Justice League's. "A" stood for "alternate", since it was an alternate timeline of Earth-One. Justice League of America #37, Aug. 1965 Earth-C Pre-Crisis Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew: Captain Carrot, Alley-Kat-Abra, Fastback, Little Cheese, Pig-Iron, Rubberduck, and Yankee Poodle. This world is populated with anthropomorphic animals, who appear as comicbook characters on Earth-One. New Teen Titans #16, Feb. 1982 Earth-C-Minus Pre-Crisis Just'a Lotta Animals: Super-Squirrel, Wonder Wabbit, the Batmouse, Green Lambkin, Aquaduck, and the Crash. This Earth (like Earth-C) is populated by anthropomorphic animals. Events and characters on this world paralleled those of Earth-One; additionally, events and characters on Earth-C-Minus were considered fictonal on Earth-C (with Captain Carrot's alter-ego employed as the cartoonist of the Just'a Lotta Animals comic book series), in the vein of Earth-Two heroes’ only appearing as comic book characters on Earths-One and -Prime. Captain Carrot and His Amazing Zoo Crew #14, 1983 Earth-D Pre-Crisis Justice Alliance of America. Earth-D featured a more ethnically diverse version of several Earth-One heroes, with no major tragedies in the heroes' lives (not counting the Crisis, of course). As such it was a combination of modern multi-cultural sensibilities combined with Silver-Age-style innocence, rumored to be what writer Marv Wolfman would have liked the DC Universe to be post-Crisis. Legends of the DC Universe: Crisis on Infinite Earths, Feb. 1999 Earth-K Pre-Crisis Kamandi Alternate future timeline of Earth-One. Kamandi: The Last Boy on Earth #1, Nov. 1972 Earth-S Pre-Crisis Shazam, Captain Marvel, Mary Marvel, Captain Marvel, Jr., Bulletman and Bulletgirl, Mister Scarlet and Pinky, Minute-Man , Ibis the Invincible, Spy Smasher, Commando Yank, Isis. Fawcett Comics publications of the 1940's and 1950's took place on this planet, with its predominant heroic teams being the Marvel Family, the Crime Crusader Club and the Squadron of Justice; while the main team of supervillians were the Monster Society of Evil. Whiz Comics #2, Feb. 1940 (original) / Shazam! #1, 1973 (named) Earth-X Pre-Crisis Freedom Fighters (retconned to have migrated from Earth-Two): Uncle Sam, the Human Bomb, Miss America, The Ray, Black Condor, Doll Man, Phantom Lady, Firebrand. On this world, Nazi Germany won World War II, and the Freedom Fighters - originally from Earth-Two - fought to defeat them. Most Quality Comics publications chronicled adventures from this earth. Justice League of America #137, 1974 The Fourth World Pre- & Post-Crisis Darkseid, Orion, Mister Miracle, Big Barda. The Fourth World is a universe outside of the regular DC multiverse. Its two main worlds, New Genesis and Apokolips, are mirror reflections of each other: New Genesis, the bright, glorious home of the New Gods, Apokolips, the fiery, horrific home of the evil warlord Darkseid and his minions. Inhabitants of these worlds have been frequent visitors to Earth-One and Post-Crisis Earth, but it has been shown that they could venture into any number of alternate worlds. The Fourth World was not affected by the Crisis on Infinite Earths. Superman's Pal, Jimmy Olsen #133 Earth-Prime Pre-Crisis Ultraa, Superboy-Prime, and DC editor Julius Schwartz. Supposedly "our" world, Earth-Prime had few or no superheroes. The superheroes of Earths-One, -Two, -S, etc. existed only in fiction. Flash #179, 1968 Earth Post-Crisis Post-Zero Hour All residents of the reconstituted Earth formed following Crisis on Infinite Earths, denoted as Earth-2 by the Lex Luthor of Earth-1 from the Anti-Matter Universe in JLA: Earth 2 This universe has various derivations explained as manifestations of Hypertime and influenced by the actions of Superboy-Prime. This world blends elements of multiple universes existing prior to the Crisis, and ended during the Infinite Crisis.[citation needed] Crisis on Infinite Earths #11, 1986 New Earth Post-Infinite Crisis All current superheroes and villains After the destruction of Alexander Luthor's Multiverse Tower in the Infinite Crisis, the parallel Earths that had been created merged into a new single Earth, tentatively named "New Earth." New Earth is currently the core existence in the DC Universe. Infinite Crisis #6, 2006 Antimatter Universe (pre-Crisis) Pre-Crisis Anti-Monitor, Weaponers of Qward, the Thunderers. Qward's universe has been described as a "universe of evil". Qwardian society seems to be dominated by a philosophy of selfishness and greed. This could be the effects of millennia of inescapable rule by the tyrannical Weaponers. Green Lantern #2, 1960 Antimatter Universe (post-Crisis) Post-Crisis Crime Syndicate of America: Ultraman, Superwoman, Owlman, Power Ring, and Johnny Quick. Justice Underground: Alexander Luthor, Sir Solomon Grundy, General Grodd, Q-Ranger, Lady Sonar, Star Sapphire, and the Quizmaster. A post-Crisis anti-matter Earth with a Crime Syndicate whose motto is "Cui Bono?" ("Who profits?"). Originally, this world was referred to as "Earth-One" while the world of the JLA was called "Earth-Two", since the naming was done by an inhabitant of the Crime Syndicate's Earth. Subsequent appearances reversed the naming convention and also established that Earth-Two exists in the same universe as Qward. JLA: Earth-Two, 2001 Pocket Universe Earth Post-Crisis The first post-Crisis versions of Superboy, the Phantom Zone residents General Zod, Quex-Ul, and Faora Hu-Ul, and Supergirl (Matrix). This Earth also had versions of Bruce Wayne, Oliver Queen, Lex Luthor, Lana Lang, and Jonathan and Mary Kent. It was an artificial world created by the Time Trapper, a longtime foe of the Legion of Super-Heroes, to act as the source of the legendary (but now fictitious) Superboy whose legends inspired the Legion. This Earth was rendered lifeless by three superpowered villains. It was not seen again until the last Legion story arc prior to Zero Hour, and it may have been removed from continuity at the end of that event. Superman #8, 1987 Earth-Dakota Post-Zero Hour Icon, Static, Hardware and Blood Syndicate In 1993, word of a Big Bang gang war on Paris Island resulted in Mayor Jefferson ordering enforcement officials to spray every gang member present with an experimental tear gas laced with a radioactive marker that would allow the police to track the participants down later. Survivors then became known as "bang babies" given mutagenic abilities. Icon #1, 1993 (original); Worlds Collide #1, 1994 (canonical) Wildstorm Earth Post-Zero Hour The Authority. See article Wildstorm for information relating towards this universe. WildC.A.T.s #1, 1992 (original); Planetary/Batman: Night on Earth #1, 2003 (canonical) Marvel Universe (Earth-616) Post-Zero Hour All main-continuity Marvel Comics characters. Although part of a separate multiverse, the Marvel Universe crossed-over with Post-Crisis Earth in 2003 for JLA/Avengers. See Marvel Universe and Marvel Multiverse. Motion Picture Funnies Weekly, 1939; JLA/Avengers, 2003 Mega-City One Earth Post-Zero Hour Judge Dredd, Judge Anderson, Judge Death etc.. These crossovers have included references to Zero Hour (The Ultimate Riddle). Judgement on Gotham, 1991 Amalgam Comics - Earth-692 (with Marvel) Post-Crisis Amalgamated DC/Marvel Comics characters. For the comics that were published, an entire history presumably existed for each of the combined characters. 1996
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