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hard drive accessed constantly

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone had noticed their hard drive being accessed a lot by the UD agent. I don't have any problem with my cpu cycles being eaten by the agent since it seems to release the cpu anytime I want to do anything, but the hard drive is now being accessed constantly so that all my other programs are sluggish.

I have a Pentium M 1.2GHz with 1.2Gb of RAM and am usually only using about 600Mb of RAM at any given time, so there's plenty to spare.

The agent was behaving very well for the first few days, but today is just started eating my hard drive up, so I have to kill it.

Any thoughts?

Andrew
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Re: hard drive accessed constantly

Which project? Just doing alot of accesses or actually using up space ?
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Re: hard drive accessed constantly

You might try defragmenting your disc. Move the shortcut to the UD agent out of your Startup folder so it doesn't restart when you reboot, then reboot and let defrag run overnight.

But that's just a guess, tell us more about your system first, eg. free space on your disc, what projects you run, what other apps you run. Also, you could run UD in screensaver mode so it won't run until it sees you are not active on the computer. You might have to let it run 24 hrs. a day to get much crunching done but if that works for you...
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Re: hard drive accessed constantly

Help Defeat Cancer has much bigger checkpoint files than previous projects (hundreds of megabytes). To avoid overloading your system, WCG modified the checkpointing so it would take longer but not affect your normal computer use.

If you are being affected, then this usually means that your harddrive is excessively fragmented. All you need to do is run Windows Defrag (it's on the tools tab when you open the drive properties).

Or, if you are just hearing more disk activity than usual, you can always get a soundproof enclosure for your harddrive.
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Re: hard drive accessed constantly

Thanks for your suggestions. I've defragged my drive twice now just to make sure and will hope that helps. I didn't know about the screensaver mode, so that's great in case it becomes an issue.

I have a 40Gb drive with 15Gb of free space. I have all the projects selected, so I guess it randomly chooses. I did notice that it was working on a cancer project when the hard drive was being accessed.

The other apps that I run are Firefox (latest release), Netscape 7.2, Outlook 2003, Excel 2003, Yahoo Messenger, Trillian, AVG Anti-virus, Ghost 9 (only backs up at night), and RealVNC server (to access my pc remotely).

I have noticed that it still seems to be accessing the hard drive quite a bit (after the defrags), but I'll just put it into sleep mode.

Thanks,
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Re: hard drive accessed constantly

If your video chip is integrated onto the motherboard (rather than on a separate video card) then it likely steals a bit of RAM but you claim you have about 600 Meg to spare. I run the cancer project on 1 Gig RAM (896 Meg after video steals its share) and I do see more disk activity compared to when cancer is not running but the disk accesses are extremely short, the LED indicating disk access is on for just a fraction of a second every 5 seconds. I experience no slowdown at all.

If you are seeing disk accesses that last for 1 or 2 seconds then I would say something is wrong. Perhaps you don't have as much RAM left over as you think? Maybe try unloading other apps temporarily to see if the disk activity decreases? If it's only the cancer project that produces excessive disk activity then unselect it on the WCG website and crunch only the FAAH project?
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Re: hard drive accessed constantly

Thanks for your insights. I actually like the idea of being able to participate in all of the projects and can just put the computer that I'm working on into "sleep mode" if the cancer project is running.

It does seem better now that I've defragged the drive, but the drive is accessed enough that I notice some slowdown when the cancer project is running (not all the time, but sometimes).

If you're interested, I'll give you the specifics of my pc:

Dell Latitude X300 - Pentium M 1.2GHz
Windows XP sp2 reports (under system properties) that I have 1.11Gb RAM

Using the task manager with all my apps running, I have:
Physical Memory
Total - 1169448
Available - 356300 (about)
System Cache - 457800 (about)

Kernel Memory
Total - 78796
Paged - 63972
Nonpaged - 14824

Totals
Handles - 17318
Threads - 698
Processes - 65

Commit Charge
Total - 1030900 (about)
Limit - 2802464
Peak - 1252656

I have only one drive configured which is listed as 40Gb with 15Gb free. I actually have a faster drive in mine than most X300's (5200 RPM).

I really like the idea of being able to use my computers to help with their processing power that's not being used otherwise. This has been a great forum with all of your responses. Finding out about the "sleep mode" is great in case something like what I was experiencing happens again. My pc is now working on an AIDS project, so only CPU is being used (which I can't even notice).

I believe that the video is integrated into the motherboard (I can't imagine how they'd fit in in this tiny package otherwise), so I'm guessing that it takes about 128Mb of my RAM.
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Glad to hear you're not noticing a slowdown with the AIDS project. Regarding the Cancer project.... I think I recall reading that some of the Cancer work units can sometimes require as much as 700 MB RAM for brief periods. If you have about 600 MB to spare then that would explain the above average disk access and slowdown you're seeing sometimes. I think the only solution is using the Snooze mode if it becomes bothersome. You might want to keep an eye on the work unit deadline if you have to use snooze a lot during a cancer work unit though if you leave your computer run all night you likely won't even come close to the 1 week deadlines.
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Re: hard drive accessed constantly

Hi,

since you are running W/XP the cause could be that "automatic defrag" cuts in automatically.

This is what happens on my PC's: when XP detects no user activity for some time, harddisk activity suddenly starts, because Defrag is loaded. I found out by turning of my screen saver and starting task manager; then turn to the processes list and click the CPU column twice, i.e. to sort it descending by activity level. Then do nothing with either mouse or keyboard for a while (>10 mins); then you see defrag.exe comming up. On a 40Gb PC it is finished after about 30 mins. But 10 minutes after the last user activity (a single mouse move would do), it starts again.

So, when you run the WCG agent in screen saver mode, it might be that the activity comes from defrag and not the client. I don't know how to turn off this automatic defrag, but I also could not think of a good reason to do so.

I hope this helps,

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Re: hard drive accessed constantly

There's a way of defragging your disc during idle at a lower priority, thus should not bog your machine down.. Posting a tip, installment 1 on that soon. It will require a direct registry tweak (the EnableAutoLayout key). Also, with TreadMaster u can set the 'dfrgntfs.exe' to low timeshare, say 10%...that way the crunching still would get the major time. For proof just started Defrag as regular utility...BOINC still gets its assigned 80% (also set with Threadmaster).

Screen savers them selves if highly graphic combined with crunching can cause intensive disk accessing......seen it happen in old days.
On the Snooze mentioned by Dagorath, the setting in the page of UD agent allows to set it up to 120 minutes. Far as i can determine in BOINC, the slumber option is ad infinitum....u have to un-snooze it by hand.

PS Come to think of it, sometimes i wonder if Windows XP users who have upgraded from e.g. Windows 98/ME are using the FAT32 or NTFS disc-layout. The latter is much saver and faster...mind u, don't even know if NTFS is a requirement at all to run Win XP on a drive that is NTFS formatted....been using NTFS since Windows NT....i.e a habit. The dfrgfat.exe and dfrgntfs.exe in taskmamanger view will tell u what disk type is worked on, but it can also be checked if looking in Explorer on the drive list page in column "File System" (unhide the column if not seen by rightclicking on column headers). If FAT32, consider: Convert FAT32 To NTFS

Bunches of WinXp optimization tips here: TweakXp.com Performance Tweaks

NB: All told here is entirely used at own risk!

Enjoy Sunday....i'm off.
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