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Can we raise the default CPU % usage now?

i mean for people who don't set their own % use.

example, to tell the computers to use 90% when you send work.

or still too 'risky'?
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Re: Can we raise the default CPU % usage now?

There is a good possibility that lots of UD users need the throttle at 60% for one reason or another. To boost it back to 90% without warning them would not be very friendly.
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Re: Can we raise the default CPU % usage now?

There is a good possibility that lots of UD users need the throttle at 60% for one reason or another. To boost it back to 90% without warning them would not be very friendly.
maybe, but wcg has never interfered with my other computer uses. has it ever affected yours?

and about the 'heat' problem, one of mine is a cheap old "e-machine" brand and it has never overheated.
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Re: Can we raise the default CPU % usage now?

This was a policy decision. WCG have to play safe, especially if they want to attract large corporate networks. The throttle setting prevents any claims that WCG reduces component lifespans or forces power saving modes.
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Re: Can we raise the default CPU % usage now?

maybe, but wcg has never interfered with my other computer uses. has it ever affected yours?

and about the 'heat' problem, one of mine is a cheap old "e-machine" brand and it has never overheated.


No, it has never slowed down my other apps, I don't even know it's running. Three of my machines did overheat when I started crunching and I had to do some hardware mods (extra fans, heatsink, a duct, etc.). We can't predict the experience others will have solely from our own experience.

I was against the 60% throttle due to the way it was implemented (was no effective warning, just an across the board cutback). I would not be against an across the board raise to 90% BUT it would have to be preceeded by a mass mailing to all the UD users to warn them.

In the end it's WCG's decision and they ain't going to listen to us. Their lawyers are probably more to blame/thank for the 60% throttle than the techs. And when does a lawyer ever listen to reason when $$ talk so much louder?
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cool Re: Can we raise the default CPU % usage now?

I'd like to suggest an enhancement to the CPU Throttling tool: detection of whether or not a machine's clock speed is reduced. Then we could tell whether to be concerned or not about performance.

Also, could chip temperature also be displayed? Maybe that's chip- or motherboard- or whatever-dependent, in that case never mind.

Or maybe there are free tools out there somewhere that WCG could recommend so that we can check it all out for ourselves?

I'd rather not wear out my machines (at work AND at home) sooner if I didn't have to. And I would also like to contribute at the maximum I can.

Thanks!
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Re: Can we raise the default CPU % usage now?

Hello mcepek,
Chip temperature sensors are motherboard dependent. The utilities we recommend are in the 'Useful Utilities' thread at http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=2490

Look over:
1) Motherboard Monitor: http://mbm.livewiredev.com/
4) Speed Fan: http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
5) Throttle Watch: http://www.panopsys.com/Downloads.html

Lawrence
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Re: Can we raise the default CPU % usage now?

Hi mcepek,

To add to Lawrence post, as far as UD agent throttle read out, it's already there in the Help Defeat Cancer Work Units Graphical screen of UD Agent. Am sure that as new versions of the projects are released, FAAH and HPF2 will also start to show this.

The answer to your prayers on the temperature monitoring side is in the posts titled "Useful Utilities" mentioned.... Speedfan. Been using it for years. Continuously reads out the CPU temperature and many others to include harddisk. It does what it does best, controlling the Speed of your system Fans. Sits in my systray and takes about 1 minute of CPU time a day, or less if u just leave it minimised. Hover over the icon and it reads out as many temps as your motherboard allows sensing or u want to see. Pictures telling stories, here a screenshot:



oops, running a bit hot this morning with fans on max......scirrocco arrived last night and airco not on.
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Re: Can we raise the default CPU % usage now?

Idea of wcg doesnt seem to be what it should (get projects done as short period of time as possible)
This overheating is just an joke, in a company like ibm even the cleaner lady knows that cpu is fine with 100% usage and company can not be held responsible if someones dusty 20years old computer heats up too much.
(if they could then could also every other software company since all programs use cpu more or less and yes some like editing sofware and games use it 100%)
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Re: Can we raise the default CPU % usage now?

It is a real problem for laptops. Many laptops (and desktops) respond to overheating by stepping down the CPU clock. This cools the chip, but slows down the entire computer - crunching and normal use alike. This is why corporations don't want their machines maxed out all the time.

Home computers, on the other hand, tend to be poorly maintained and quickly choke up with dust. This puts undue strain on the cooling system, and fan failure can cause systems to catastrophically overheat.

These are exceptional happenings, of course. But WCG have to allow for these possibilities, or a few toasted PCs will quickly lose them the goodwill they have worked so hard to gain. WCG don't want to damage anyone's computer whether they will be held responsible or not.

Crunch safe.
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