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CPU/Disk Load to 100% every 15 minutes

Since I've been receiving work units for Help Defeat Cancer, my PC goes nuts every 15 minutes (more or less). Something is writing or reading from disk to such an extent that all other tasks slowdown. Since this PC is my media PC, this is a problem. Is there a workaround for this?
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Re: CPU/Disk Load to 100% every 15 minutes

It could be a checkpoint, where all data is saved. If the computer is rebooted later, work will resume from there.

What kind of PC? How much memory?

I have run a couple of HDC workunits so far on a fast AMD system with no problems...finishing in 1 hour, 42 minutes each. I'm not messing with videos, though. It does take about 10 minutes to download a workunit on a dial-up connection. Uploads are smaller. Since I am using the BOINC interface, the executing workunit can be running while the uploads/downloads are going on. To see the project graphics, one would have to use the UD interface instead.

When you are on the internet, an upload/download when the workunit is finished will be intense, slowing down other activity. It shouldn't take long, though.

This project uses more memory than Fight Aids @ Home. If you are running both projects, what happens with that one? If worse comes to worse, set it to only FAAH. Workfiles are extremely tiny, and the checkpoints don't take long.

Another computer over here has only 512Mb, so can not run HDC. It is happy with FAAH.
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Re: CPU/Disk Load to 100% every 15 minutes

My machine is a Dell Dimension 9100, P4 Dual Core 2.8GHz with 1GB RAM and 160GB SATA Barracuda HD. FAAH works fine as does HPF2 and HPF before that. HDC seems to send the disk into a frenzy every 15 minutes or so and I can't understand why. For now, I'll just turn off HDC unless/until I hear the issue has been solved.
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Hi BlackSmurf68,
This is the first report of such behavior. It sounds like what would happen if your computer had to use Virtual Memory when the working set for HDC reaches 500+ MB. Have you used Task Manager to watch your memory and paging activity during a burst of activity? Do you have other programs running during these periods? The reason I ask is that one of my computers has only 896 MB of RAM because 128 MB is reserved for video, yet I can web browse on it while running a HDC unit without my disk acting up.

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Re: CPU/Disk Load to 100% every 15 minutes

hmmmmm BlackSmurf68.....have you spoken to the consigliere of the tribe? Your spec machine should put these HDC thru like there's no tomorrow. U do not reveal which OS and which agent u use, UD or BOINC, but have experience with both on the same machine a p4 2.53 ghz, 1gb ddr. The fact that it in large volumes pushes out from ram (and maybe swapfile), to regular disk, or move large volume ram store to swapfile suggests that the disk settings in the OS might not be optimum. I've seen next to nothing, and certainly not heard anything of disk trashing.

1. Check if DMA of the Disk has been activated (see system control panel)
2. Check if there is enough space allowed for the swapfile to grow (same panel)
3. Check if there is any process that pushes the agent to reduce its ram use.....the Science will step aside if anything with higher than lowest priority demand ram.
4. Suggest a serious disk defrag....your swapfile might be in a hundred places if used with many 10000s files like a audio collection? There's a util "pagedefrag" for swapfiles to be put in a single space from Sysinternals (just bought by MSFT), that does the job during boot time.....can take 15/30 minutes, so dont take the 'every boot' option.

HDC goes thru a cycle of loading images increasing RAM use to about 280mb and swapfile to about also 280mb, then gradually reduces...you can see this in taskmanager. If u select the extra columns to display in taskmanager u'll discover a wealth of life information there. Observe the frenzy when your machine goes into this disk trashing.

Sorry, this is just my little client experience....u can always google the issue and seek for 'disc trnshing fix"

ciao

PS, i'm jealous of your disk...just got a 80gb ATA.

Edit: Sorry Lawrence for any duplication of your comments, i'm convinced these message servers are out of sync! The above i wrote in about 10 minutes, yet here is >30 minute gap between the 2. Oddly, when logging to forum, it goes sometimes to https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/.....forum/...., sometimes to www.world......../forum/....
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Re: CPU/Disk Load to 100% every 15 minutes

I myself have no such problems when doing the HDC tasks. I had a few problems with HPF2 sending tasks back with errors, but the HDC finish in a pretty respectable 1 hour 45 mins. My computer is on 24/7 and has never gone nuts writing to the disk every now and again. My setups AMD Athlon64 4000+, 2GB ram, 200GB Maxtor sata drive. Even when running other tasks it still handles HDC with ease.
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Re: CPU/Disk Load to 100% every 15 minutes

Fragmentation can reduce even the fastest computer to a crawl.

Thing to do is run Windows Defrag in Analyse mode, and see how many fragment the pagefile is in. Also, use Task Manager to view the pagefault count for your processes, to see if the pagefile is being used more than is ideal.

If these test indicate a problem, then either use a third-party utility to sort things out, or use Windows Defrag and remember to recreate the pagefile in a contiguous space. Set the pagefile to a fixed size to prevent it from becoming fragmented again. I prefer to keep my pagefile on a seperate partition to make it easier to manage.

If all this still fails to help, then chances are your normal computer use is taking up more memory than average. Use Task Manager or System Monitor to keep a track of which processes are using a lot of memory. Memory loss can also be a symptom of spyware or virus activity. Practice safe computing.
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Re: CPU/Disk Load to 100% every 15 minutes

I've got about the same here for HDC ... AMD64 4000+ with 3 Gb and AMD64 3700+ with 1.5 Gb. Lots of legroom.

Referring to the system with 1 Gb memory: If it has shared graphics (which takes some memory, 128 Mb as a guess) and HDC spikes up to 750 Mb, things could get a bit tight.

The Intel specs can sometimes be a bit fuzzy. If it is a true dual core machine, BOINC can take advantage of running on both cores with 2 workunits in parallel. If it is a hyperthread model, never mind. Leave that thought alone. It will probably show 50% CPU activity, but will be running as much as possible.

One review of the Dell Dimension 9100 stated that it had a separate graphics card, an nVidia GeForce 6800 which has 256 Mb of its own graphics memory. At least the machine sent to the reviewer had that in it. It seems to be a pretty high end machine. Investigate the sluggishness ideas above. It shouldn't behave that way.

An extra 1 Gb one of these days wouldn't hurt, though. I did notice a difference when I kicked up my own.
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Re: CPU/Disk Load to 100% every 15 minutes

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or use Windows Defrag and remember to recreate the pagefile in a contiguous space. Set the pagefile to a fixed size to prevent it from becoming fragmented again. I prefer to keep my pagefile on a seperate partition to make it easier to manage.


Early this morning I took Sekerob's advice and used the Sysinternals pagedefrag freeware utility at http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/PageDefrag.html

It worked great. For some reason, I stopped thinking about Sysinternals a year and a half ago, even though I keep their great book 'Windows Internals' in my bedroom.

One of my computers had been upgraded from 256 MB to 512 MB to 1 GB, producing 3 fragments for my pagefile. The other had been upgraded from 512 MB to 1 GB (-128 MB video) producing a pagefile with 2 fragments. Pagedefrag worked great on both. I will have to add this to 'Useful Utilities'. Remember to run chkdsk /F first.

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Re: CPU/Disk Load to 100% every 15 minutes

retsof, curious that you arrive at that same thought i posted a query about a few days ago, respective BOINC on dual core with multiple HDC's crunching.....never saw an answer to that one. Could that be a part of the culprit thinking thinking shhh
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