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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
Didactylos, i guess you did this on a 1 core machine....done same number of times, neither having problems...actually BOINC has been sitting again for while on a ZAxxx at 100% complete, but not closing (not taking/gaining CPU time), so run UD throttled @ 95% alongside.
----------------------------------------On a dual core, i suppose Boinc would take 1 core in full and do this 30/70 split on the other core. Wonder, maybe a bit silly, if one would tell in the BOINC profile to use only one core..... would UD take 60% of one core and BOINC 100% of the other 
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David Autumns
Ace Cruncher UK Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 11062 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Apologies the way I read it in bbover3's original mail was that it was being introduced with HPF2
----------------------------------------Consequently I thought it would only affect HPF2. Sorry I'm must have dropped off. This means the whole of the UD user base has been backed off 40%  That mass email needs to be sent out soon Dagorath  |
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
Interesting exchange between the C.A.'s
----------------------------------------I do not know the reasoning behind this decision, but I will make a guess. So far, WCG has made a habit of starting things before the big announcement. This allows a lot of bugs to be detected early. This time we are certainly finding a lot of bugs. I expect that the next newsletter will contain full information about the throttle. Translation....guinea pig the members, then tell them 99% of the problems have been sorted....makes me think of the outcry resulting from MSFT's WGA call home program. Personally, whilst i sometimes use the word 'believe', i'm in fact devout agnostic, i cant believe this is the attitude, official or officious.... errata: okay on second thought, this is chatroom, so doesn't count.
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Former Member
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That mass email needs to be sent out soon Dagorath I would have sent it out prior to the event. Why not? How can it possibly hurt to let people know a very important and long standing default will be changing? NOT being informed is what upsets people. It looks like we'll have to wait for the newsletter. Will the newsletter be emailed to everyone? If so will it contain HTML which a lot of people reject? Maybe a link buried behind 3 other links? Maybe just a quick reference at the end of a long article written in techno-babble that everybody loses interest in within the first 3 sentences? Newsletters are nice but certain topics require special attention. The throttle is such a topic. |
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Former Member
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You've had WCG newsletters before (unless you opted out). They are archived for reference on the website.
I fully expect the throttle to get an article, but they will undoubtedly lead with HPF2. Remember also, the throttle default isn't hardcoded to 60%; instead it is set to "whatever the work unit specifies", which is currently 60%. This means that WCG can continue tweaking things if they need to. WCG have never sent out specific announcements before - not even for the launch of new projects. Forgive me, Dagorath, but I don't see that the throttle is any different. Nowhere do WCG claim, guarantee or even suggest that they will squeeze every last drop of power from your machine. Instead, they act responsibly and proactively (I hate that word) to protect your computer from harm. |
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Former Member
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You've had WCG newsletters before (unless you opted out). They are archived for reference on the website. Actually I have not had a newsletter via email because I joined after the last one. I did read the archive, however. I fully expect the throttle to get an article, but they will undoubtedly lead with HPF2. They should lead with HPF2 but that's part of the problem. Many read the first article and skim the rest. They're just as likely to miss material on the throttle as they are to see it and focus on it. Remember also, the throttle default isn't hardcoded to 60%; instead it is set to "whatever the work unit specifies", which is currently 60%. This means that WCG can continue tweaking things if they need to. Now that really scares me. Some people will be counting on the throttle staying at 60% and then POOF! it's changes again? And with no warning again? Well, if it happens at least we'll be able to say they're consistenly ridculous. WCG have never sent out specific announcements before - not even for the launch of new projects. Forgive me, Dagorath, but I don't see that the throttle is any different. When my opponent in debate has to resort to the "never done it before so we should never do it in the future" argument I know he's beat. I never crunched before so I guess I shouldn't have started so I should detach from WCG and uninstall BOINC. Ooops! I almost blew it there!! Now that I am crunching I have to reason that since I've never stopped crunching before so I cannot stop now. If I were R. Daneel Oliva I would be in roblock right now, wouldn't I. Classic reducto absurdium that "never have, therefore can never". Nowhere do WCG claim, guarantee or even suggest that they will squeeze every last drop of power from your machine. Right. But when you want to give every last drop and you have been doing so for a year AND you maybe went to the trouble of beefing up the cooling so you could run 100% AND then you find out the rules changed 6 months ago AND you've been running 60% for 6 months .... well... ya just gotta laugh at anybody who would pull out the EULA and start quoting chapter and verse. Really, it's not like WCG had to stand on it's head and spit gold ingots.... just a simple email. Instead, they act responsibly and proactively (I hate that word) to protect your computer from harm. I'm afraid that people sitting at their keyboards tonight thinking that UD running at 60% is further proof they must reinstall windows tomorrow simply won't agree with you. Sad to think their time will be wasted all for lack of a simple email. Posts in the forums indicate that the scenario I describe is or may be happening. I suppose it's easy to just write those folks off as extremists, clueless newbies, technophobes or whatever. But the fact is they're just normal people trying to do their best. Why can't WCG help them out with a simple little email? |
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Former Member
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Seems we just don't agree on this one.
I never said that WCG should never send out emails in exceptional circumstances - I said that I think the throttle is less important than other events which may arguably justify an email. WCG don't ask that you use your computer any differently while running the crunching code. And the vast majority of people on the grid do just that. The more dedicated crunchers - well, they'll just have to keep an eye on the announcements. A-ha! I've had a thought. WCG should have an opt-in announce list, with more traffic than the newsletter option. Then they can provide the RSS feed data to those who want it by email. The throttle should have been announced on the RSS feed (it was overlooked). What do you think? I'm going to try and get WCG to implement it, anyway. Currently, the RSS feed seems to get only the most major announcements. |
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Former Member
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Ooops! I forgot to mention we do agree on one thing... hate the word proactive, lol.
We do disagree on the other aspects but I feel I've said all that needed to be said and it's time to compromise and move on. Opt-in announce lists are a wonderful thing if they stick to the purpose and aren't fluffed with garbage like "Oh, BTW, Dagorath's dog just had puppies and he named one WCG" and birthday announcements and crap. Go for it!!!  |
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