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Former Member
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Ok so I have read through most of these pages plus the general BOINC FAQ, but I still have a general question. What is the advantage to using BOINC? I do not want to run multiple projects at this time, just WCG. Is the BOINC agent faster at crunching (less interface)? Is is just more useful because of it's advanced settings?
Sorry I might be a partially blind man but I could not find these answers anwhere easily. |
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BOINC works better if you have multiple computers. The advanced settings are an advantage, but the actual crunching should be indistinguishable from UD.
If you have no special requirements, use either. |
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Sekerob
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opinions differ...BOINC has a build in cache function....pulls a new WU across whilst the current one is still ongoing..this is great if you have any network interruption, or if WCG itself goes down and your WU has finished.....you can set it e.g. to contact WCG once per 2 days...then it will cache 2 days work at least, so you can go offline or crunch on your laptop in a hotel.....there are no fancy 3D grpahs so in fact its slightly faster.
----------------------------------------If you have dual or quad core PC(PCs), BOINC can crunch 1/2/3/4 WU simultaneously.......gives you 4 times more points if that's your thrill. Combined with the BOINCview AMS add-on you have a complete log of all WU's processed and real time monitoring of the flops and CPU utilisation!
WCG
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If you use UD as a screensaver, it definitely steals CPU cycles, which can kill your crunching power.
----------------------------------------Also, if you have dual Core processor (AMD X2 or P4 Hyperthread) you can crunch 2 WU at the same time. I am not sure of the performance increase on P4 Hyperthread, because it is really only one processor, so it may just be 1/2 as fast at crunching two WU. On the other hand, if you really have two processors (Like AMD X2) then you bust out twice as many WU, along with the gratifying feeling of having both CPUs pegged for days on end. I once ran UD on a 4X XEON Dell 2650 Server, and it only used 25% of the computing power of the box (which was awesome). I only wish I had known about BOINC back then. UD is nice because they have cute little graphics (especially hpf2) but I think Boinc is better because it ISNT graphics intensive. I would rather expend CPU Cycles making cures rather than making pictures. I like the advanced settings, although for my purposes i just give it unlimited power over my boxes (max drive space, 99.9% of virtual memory, connect to network anytime, etc, etc) I dont know if it is better or worse, but probably more of a personal preference. I think BOINC is the logical progression for somebody that just wants to crunch and doesnt mind losing the graphics. It gives you more flexibility with configs and whatnot. My $0.02 Take it with a grain of salt. I am a noob here. ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jun 27, 2006 1:32:44 AM] |
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Also, if you have dual Core processor (AMD X2 or P4 Hyperthread) you can crunch 2 WU at the same time. I am not sure of the performance increase on P4 Hyperthread, because it is really only one processor, so it may just be 1/2 as fast at crunching two WU. I Boinc on around 150 P4's, 10 Athlons (XPs and 64s) and a smattering of older stuff. I'm still pretty new, but I have noted the following: Hyperthreading makes a huge difference. A non-hyperthreaded P4 2.8GHz does one FAAH WU in around 7-8 hours. When hyperthreaded, it does 2 in ~11 hours. Thats ~50% better. A Dual Xeon 3GHz (Hyperthreaded) Server actually does 4 WU's at the same time, and completes the 4 WU's in ~9h. However.. 1. RAM, RAM, RAM. Dont hyperthread if you dont have 512MB of RAM. Each FAAH task takes ~90MB RAM, and ~270MB of Pagefile. It adds up. :/ 2. The responsiveness of the system is compromised when running hyperthreading. This is most likely not related to the client itself, but rather the increased pagefile usage. |
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Also, if you have dual Core processor (AMD X2 or P4 Hyperthread) you can crunch 2 WU at the same time. I am not sure of the performance increase on P4 Hyperthread, because it is really only one processor, so it may just be 1/2 as fast at crunching two WU. I Boinc on around 150 P4's, 10 Athlons (XPs and 64s) and a smattering of older stuff. I'm still pretty new, but I have noted the following: Hyperthreading makes a huge difference. A non-hyperthreaded P4 2.8GHz does one FAAH WU in around 7-8 hours. When hyperthreaded, it does 2 in ~11 hours. Thats ~50% better. A Dual Xeon 3GHz (Hyperthreaded) Server actually does 4 WU's at the same time, and completes the 4 WU's in ~9h. However.. 1. RAM, RAM, RAM. Dont hyperthread if you dont have 512MB of RAM. Each FAAH task takes ~90MB RAM, and ~270MB of Pagefile. It adds up. :/ 2. The responsiveness of the system is compromised when running hyperthreading. This is most likely not related to the client itself, but rather the increased pagefile usage. Yeah better go with AMD Dual Core.. ![]() |
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Ok just as an update... I started running the BOINC agents on all 4 of my computers and most have them are returning very similar results as before.... but my core duo laptop.... WOW an amazing difference. Now that I can crunch 2 at the same time. It's a 1.83ghz intel core duo lappy with 512MB ram, with UD it always only ran 50% CPU returning on average about 600 points a day (~3 units). Now with BOINC and both cores running I'm returning 2,000+ a day (~6-7 units) just on this machine. Crazy difference! Glad I switched over.
My only concern has been the operating temp which seems to be under control for now. Now I wish my desktop was dual core instead of my laptop, oh well. |
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Sekerob
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Snipes of TW, if concerned of running hot on BOINC, try Threadmaster, available here. When on juice, your cooling is likely to always run at max on your laptop when BOINC runs 100% utilisation, or should i say 200% on your dual......craving for a quad, but i'm resisting temptation until it shows up in an sff type pc like shuttle.
----------------------------------------With Speedfan, you can monitor CPU temp continuously in your systray....been using it for quite a few years....is able in fact to read many system temps like board & harddisk. UD has a throttle function, BOINC seems to get one soon build in.
WCG
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Wow! Glad to hear that your Core Duo laptop is crunching so good, Snipes. I have been looking over if there are advantages for switching from UD to BOINC. I have P4 HT 2.8 512MB at work and a few Athlon 64's at home (Sorry, no X2's yet) oh yeah, and the lowly Celeron 1.2 crunching away. It sounds to me like the only system that I have right now that would benefit from switching to BOINC at all might be the P4, but I think I'll stick with UD until I build some Athlon 64 X2 or Intel Core Duo 2 workstations. Those would definitely get a good performance boost. And with the X2's prices dropping like flies since the new Intel processors came out, I will be likely building another in the very near future.
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I use both UD-agent and BOINC sw and I find this most remarkable differences:
- BOINC ups memmory ussage 275MB!! its a lot for a production PC so I use it only in off-business hours; UD-agent has no impact in memmory ussage (apparently) - most important: you can install BOINC as a SERVICE. This means that it can run when no session is open (ie no user is logedd). In a business enviroment this is very important because users usually close their sessions when they left office for security reasons. So I have found best solution in a mixed of both solutions to get 100% of CPU time without disturbing users work, getting CPU cycles when no user has logged in and without buying extra memory... ![]() Julio |
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