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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I am trying to imagine the outcry you mention but I can't. An outcry that it's spam? An outcry because procedure has changed? All they would have heard from me is a big thank you for the advance warning.
----------------------------------------I'm imagining how many are going to be upset when they do finally hear about the change. I imagine there will be comments like "I spent 10 hours searching for the cause, reinstalled Windows. Why didn't you just tell me and save me all that bother for nothing?" [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jun 26, 2006 2:21:53 AM] |
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Former Member
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Well, hopefully here is the first place they look. Member News has always been there with up to date technical information - always has been, always will.
Most of our fellow members simply want to "install and forget". For the rest, the information isn't far away. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I think most of our fellow members want to set and forget and be notified when important changes occur. It's the fact that some DO set and forget... they need advance warning more than anybody. Then there is another group who notice something is wrong (i.e. UD is running slower) but mistakenly think the cause lies elsewhere, for example, John Galbraith's post in this thread. At first he thought it was software he was testing. How many other fellow members are out there at this moment still thinking the problem lies elsewhere? How many will never know it's running at only 60% but would rather it run at 100%? Hoping just doesn't get the job done. An email would have accomplished much more.
----------------------------------------The key to good relations, whether it's a marriage, an employee/employer relationship or whatever, is dialogue. It is encumbent upon BOTH partys to the relationship to identify where THEY could prevent friction in the relationship simply by uttering the appropriate words first. When 1 party expects the other to ALWAYS approach and ask for information it establishes a superior/inferior relationship. Those usually fail unless the subordinate is motivated to stay in the relationship by money, sex or fulfillment of a need to feel inferior. What is WCG offering? [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jun 26, 2006 4:28:34 AM] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Great discussion and alot of quick responses. I could see maybe an option in the program or on the website which would allow a user to select a lower default setting then 100% CPU usage.
Could even have a warning to the end user that 100% CPU usage might greatly increase heat output from the computer and having a poor stock CPU fan might not be adequate in some rare cases of which they can always default or change settings to a lower standard. I'm going to have to stand my grounds and say 100% CPU usage is safe for the mass majority of computers providing that computer is kept clean of dust and such which can act as an insulator. 100% CPU usage might shorten a computers life through the power suppoy and such but by the time that has occured its probably a dinosaur and time to get a new one anyway :) I don't think a museum cares if the computer works or not. Sacrafice for the greater good of the cause. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
It was very simple to change it once you saw that there was a lag.
All of a sudden it had used 2 hours more to get to 70% than it normaly uses to finish a WU. How many see that? And even more important makes the connection. This will slow things down for sure. Hope they implements the tool in the next version of the grid. |
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
Guys, if you carefully read the announcement, it was a concious decision by WCG....enough power has been assembled to be able to afford a little slow down on a per-member basis. Those that want faster can opt in, but the prime objective is and was to protect against overheating to the max and not impair in any way the member experience when really working on their crunchers...that would have been serious bad press.
----------------------------------------One can see in the global stats, that between the initial drop on saturday, there's already some recovery on sunday and the first 6 hourly run on monday shows next to normal CPU years again.....give it a week or 2 and the tweakers will be on top again, in fact, gain position in the individual and team stats. I'm sure that those that are into optimizing their points will find the news and announcements, so feel the exitement is a tad overboard....give it a few weeks and things will normalise ![]()
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Good point, Chris_no, it would be nice if a throttle were built into UD, BOINC too. A function to read the CPU temperature sensor and display the CPU temperature would be nice too.
----------------------------------------Sekerob, we did read the announcement carefully and if you read this thread carefully you will see that the issue is not the slowdown. The issue is that all the wonderful things you mentioned could have been accomplished with less frustration and confusion if they had done 1 simple, user-friendly thing... emailed everybody and warned in advance. It's obvious from the read count on the announcement that less than 500 members have read that announcement. Perhaps another 500 have read repost of the announcement in other threads. So... do the math... LOTS of people still don't know about the throttle. Many of those are running slower than they need to so there is an unnecessary slowdown. Poor planning, poor communication no matter which way ya slice and dice it. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jun 26, 2006 11:46:18 AM] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
This is the kind of sickening stuff that reminds me why I left other distributed computing projects.
----------------------------------------I came here to throw up some big numbers, recruit as many people as possible and kick alot of butt so that when I or someone I know and care about goes to the doctor next time they will have more answers then all they can do is pump you full of toxic medications and hope for the best and to make your will. The idea to use 60% of the CPU by DEFAULT was a noble approach and gesture but wrong! We are here to find better treatments and cures...crunch as much as possible in the shortest amount of time possible! To push the envelope to the maximum. Sure, were not here to burn up CPUs but its unlikely to happen on a decent system anyway! I have personally recruited possibly hundreds of people for this and advertised to thousands. Between me and my friends I am responsible for putting up a few thousand work units since Nov 2005 for FAH. The latest stats look sick. Looks like we went back in time! Those numbers should consistently get larger every month. I want to see 300,000 results per day. Any disagree with me or have comments? -- This post has been edited for inappropraite language - nelsoc [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jun 27, 2006 2:19:02 PM] |
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
At the early hours and at this late hour i don't agree with the rbolo28 opinion on the 60% de-throttle, Basta!
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Former Member
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I think putting the UD throttle at 60% by default was the right thing to do. I also think WCG should have sent an email to everybody explaining the reasons for the 60% default and how to put it back to 100% if they wish. As John Galbraith said up a few posts, the issue is lack of notification of the change, not the change itself.
----------------------------------------Since there are approximately 300 new members joining every day the production will eventually recover and hit the levels it was before the 60% throttle. The sad thing is that by failing to inform everybody with a simple email, WCG tossed away more production than was necessary. Due to that mistake it will take longer for production to recover than it should. There is also the issue of members wasting time and effort trying to get their UD agent to run at 100% like it always did. Many will not properly diagnose the cause of the drop to 60% and will waste their time trying other fixes. They are not going to be happy when they discover WCG made a major change without telling them. To summarize, it's not what they did, it's the way they did it. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jun 27, 2006 1:04:21 AM] |
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