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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Double your points, double your PC efficiency!
----------------------------------------My 2.8 HT Pentium has produced 2-3 times more work points per week than original Grid Agent. The CPU really grips onto Boinc while I use the other computer resources. A few seconds lost here and there does not damage my life. It'is ok because we are all donating our time, electiricity & equipment for important medical research. Other members are encouraged to convert to Boinc if your PC's hardware can swallow it. [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at Apr 22, 2006 11:08:42 PM] |
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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18667 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Yes, there's been quite a bit of discussion about this here and in threads in some of the other WCG forums. BOINC is not for everyone and some machines do better with the UD agent. Those seem to be the more low-end machines. Yes, you can load and forget with BOINC which was the intent with the UD agent. However, BOINC is much more flexible so that you can maximize your crunching efficiency as conditions change (traveling, at home, not being able to connect to the net for a few days, etc. If you like to take a more active role to get the most crunching done on your machine, BOINC's the way to go. Anything has its plusses and minuses though.
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Double your points, double your PC efficienty!
i am not convinced, i think boinc might skew your points up a bit if the quorum of 4 method has slower puters than yours, ie same points but maybe more points per unit time for faster machines (?) the H/T thing has been discussed to death asfaik , and all previous suggestions have been for one unit at a time being the most efficient ( on single core machines) ... if your puter takes twice as long to do same work ie 2 jobs at half speed then u might get more points(?) if awarded on a time basis, i dont think this applies on boinc, ... if this were real i would have thought it would become a recommendation, unless of course your are coorect and the h/t boinc somehow does double efficeincy but again i have to say thus far i remain unconvinced .. am interested in wot you say and will await somoe clever CA/mod to comment further cheers |
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Sekerob
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Well objectively I was runnning 30 points per hour. Since BOINC 50 points per hour....prior running 1.38 results per day, now 1.7 results per day.....figure that on this 4 year old box, which on the day before BOINC installation lost half the ram due burn-out! Guess what's going to happen when that gets replaced in the next few hours
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Former Member
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thanx for your input, question - is the only difference boinc instead of ud? ie might be artifact from diff way of calc results or is there a real difference in w/u crunch.
ie is there a HT thing going on, are you running one or 2 jobs? cheers. i am guessing that boinc will see 2 cores on HT machine unless u have changed settings.. keep us informed, i remain skeptical that boinc is more efficient, if indeed it is then we should all change, i suspect the hyperthread is a red herring but i would love to be proved wrong.. cheers .. btw i notice that i get about 10 to 30% more points on each core of my amd 3800 than my pentium 4 3.9 ghz, but i guess this throws another variable into the mix, ie amd may well be better at crunching than intel pentium at same ghz etc etc... please somebody very clever sort this thread out with good reliable information cos the rest of us are making observations but i am unsure wot it all means.. cheers |
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Former Member
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If CPU time on a given device translates directly to work as it seems to -since it does not necessarily reflect real-time (unlike UD's task time which does), then HT does allow more work to be completed by running two jobs concurrently (rather than simply dividing CPU time in half so that each job takes twice as long and thus only does the same total work).
I noticed this while experimenting with throttling and found that two jobs can each run in real-time or less (comparing to an independent clock). For example at 40%, each may accumulate 5s of CPU time in 5s while at 30% only 3s in 5s (total 6s in 5s so still better than running a single job). It could be that more actual work is possible in the same CPU time as long as it is not less than real-time (that is, it is completed faster). Perhaps more testing over a longer period would be necessary to see how completion times are affected. But it would be no surprise that HT is doing more work as I am already familiar with how much it benefits general multi-tasking and intensive video encoding/decoding &c. Since this is new to me, perhaps someone can riddle me this: why is it that credits granted can exceed claimed (I could understand the reverse, especially in the case of errors)? |
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Former Member
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Hello drstrangelove,
Apparently your CPU tends to claim less credit for a given work unit than other members' computers. In the quorum of 3 method, the low and high claims are dropped and everybody is awarded the middle claim for that work unit. My own computer tends to claim a high value compared to what I am awarded. Hyperthreading tries to run 2 threads through 1 cache. So the amount of cache is critical. A cheap CPU with small cache can spend a lot of time thrashing while another Pentium 4, running at the same speed but with a larger cache, can speed up throughput quite a bit. It sounds as though you have a reasonably large cache on your CPU. Lawrence |
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Former Member
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hmm , ok i tried very hard to STOp my ht pentium from doing 2 w/u 's, hmm maybe i should have left it at the "default" hmm i will change it back jusdt to check it out, did not have the option with ud of course so the question did not arise but now will give it a go and see wot happens.. hmm the dual core has sen 2 compputers only and seems very happy with that, i will toy with 2 jobs on one pentium sinlge core .
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Former Member
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experiment underway, 2 identical ht pentiums , both boinc windows, one running onr work unit the other doing 2 work units same time.. will see how this goes, ideally this should give me a rough idea, next step would be for me to wait and grab ( if possible) identical w/u bu holding off new work and then let both machines chase work at same time, unless someone else has done a more formal comparision,, this is the best i can do at short notice :) cheers
single w/u 3 hrs 40% other machine currently 1 hr 9% plus 1 hr 9% equals 1hr real time 18% extraplolated might be around 3 hrs real time for 60% , hmm this might prove interesting.... of course not the same w/u cant count it as guarantee but if the trend continues like this then our friend aa woodchip may indeed have a valid and valuable relevant point, well worth exploring,, maybe i am stupid for struggling to change my default setup... will keep youse all posted, have had some interesting comment from lawrence suggesting that it might be worthwhile if large enough cache on chip etc... something that might be well worth pursuing cheers |
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Former Member
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experiment continues,
puter 1 - 70% one w/u 6hrs puter 2 - 34% and 35 % at 4hrs real "but 8hrs" combined with HT ie total of 70% worth of real work done in w/u equivalents. projected is 8hrs for 100% on puter 1 projected is 6hrs for 100% (equivalent - ie 50 % times 2) on puter 2 (or 12 hrs for 2 completed w/u) caveat - not the same w/u could be random allocation of easier work unit... will keep youse informed... short version is that if w/u are comparable then i see about a 50% boost in actual throughput, of course dont count this as fact ( yet!) if i can do a "random" bunch in a row with the same parameters then it would be a "valid" experiment, or of course if i could get the exact same w/units etc would also be valid experiment.. cheers |
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