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I've looked around here a bit, and I can't seem to find out what if any difference there is between crunching using the boinc client vs crunching with the WCG dedicated client.
As I understand it, there's a Baker Labs boinc version that's working on a better/next generation Rosetta client. With regard to the WCG clients I have the following quiestions: Are the results used in the same way? Are the results submitted to the same research group? If so, are they used by the same group in the same way as the grid.org client? Also, what's the future of the HPF clients? Will the grid.org client and the WCG clients always be running side by side, or are there plans to eventually consolidate? Thanks in advance for any answers provided. Gary |
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You seem to have things a little mixed up, but that's not surprising - it's complicated.
The research projects are run independently by various labs. They make use of existing science applications to solve the problems they are working on: HPF uses Rosetta, and FAAH uses AutoDock. WCG take the science applications and alter them very slightly to run on both of their clients (UD and BOINC). The part that does the crunching is the same in both. Nobody has an exclusive deal with WCG, and both projects have been run on other grids in the past. I have no idea what the future will bring, but WCG is doing a pretty fine job of crunching for both projects. |
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You seem to have things a little mixed up, but that's not surprising - it's complicated. The research projects are run independently by various labs. They make use of existing science applications to solve the problems they are working on: HPF uses Rosetta, and FAAH uses AutoDock. Thank you for your response. This part I understand. WCG take the science applications and alter them very slightly to run on both of their clients (UD and BOINC). The part that does the crunching is the same in both. So, in the Specific case of HPF, the work units are the same, the results go to the same sponor, and they're used in the same way? That's really what I'm trying to determine. It's been suggested to me that the WCG boinc Rosetta client is actually working on improving that client, much like the Baker Labs boinc version is, and that the results go to a different place and for a different use than the results using the WCG dedicated Rosetta client. Nobody has an exclusive deal with WCG, and both projects have been run on other grids in the past. I have no idea what the future will bring, but WCG is doing a pretty fine job of crunching for both projects. Fair enough. Thanks again for the information. |
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So, in the Specific case of HPF, the work units are the same, the results go to the same sponor, and they're used in the same way? Exactly.It's been suggested to me that the WCG boinc Rosetta client is actually working on improving that client, much like the Baker Labs boinc version is, and that the results go to a different place and for a different use than the results using the WCG dedicated Rosetta client. Now it gets confusing again. Rosetta is the name of the HPF science application. It is also the name of a project that is developing the Rosetta software further. HPF uses a stable version of Rosetta. For the next phase of HPF, they will be using more advanced features of Rosetta.The Rosetta project is only available on BOINC, and is managed directly by Baker Labs. |
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It's been suggested to me that the WCG boinc Rosetta client is actually working on improving that client, much like the Baker Labs boinc version is, and that the results go to a different place and for a different use than the results using the WCG dedicated Rosetta client. Now it gets confusing again. Rosetta is the name of the HPF science application. It is also the name of a project that is developing the Rosetta software further. HPF uses a stable version of Rosetta. For the next phase of HPF, they will be using more advanced features of Rosetta.The Rosetta project is only available on BOINC, and is managed directly by Baker Labs. Ok, confused again, sorry if I'm being extra dense, but I want to be very clear in my understanding, and I've heard a lot of conflicting information. Let's leave the Rosetta@home project run by Baker Labs out of the discussion, I understand the purpose and scope of that project (I think ![]() I am addressing specifically the WCG Boinc Rosetta client. Boinc Manager shows the project as World Community Grid and the science client as rosetta 4.22. If I understand you correctly, this specific version run under WCG is funcionally the same as the WCG dedicated client, submits the results to the same sponsor, and the results are used in the exact same way. Thanks again and I'm sorry about getting confused again ![]() |
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Yes, that's right.
If the project is shown as WCG, then you're doing exactly the same work whether you use UD or BOINC. |
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Thank you very much, you've been extemely helpful.
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