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confused Overheating problems

I started to run the software and takes only 30 minutes and the system sensor starts to show overheating problems up to 60-70 Celsius degrees at the processor zone, both system zones won't overheat bet this I'm sure will decrease the T 1/2 of The processor.

System Configuration: Board Intel D865GBF, PIV 3 GHz, 1GB RAM etc..

Anyone who knows more about this issue please I could use some help!! What can I do?...
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Re: Overheating problems

Your processor is getting hot because software like this makes sure that it is running at 100% all the time.

I dont know of a way to reduce the maximum amount of processing power available to a program, short of 'under'clocking your enitre machine..

So the only option you're left with is more effective cooling: try removing any dust from your heatsink and if that doesnt work then improve airflow in your case or upgrade your heatsink...
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Re: Overheating problems

60-70 Celsius degrees at the processor zone, both system zones won't overheat bet this I'm sure will decrease the T 1/2 of The processor.

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I'm not so sure it will have a noticeable impact on the useful life of your processor. The max operating temp's are 80+ C. While the expected time to failure may be less as the temp goes up, my assumption is that, even at max temp, the processor would last much more than 10 years. Sound right?
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I'm not so sure it will have a noticeable impact on the useful life of your processor. The max operating temp's are 80+ C. While the expected time to failure may be less as the temp goes up, my assumption is that, even at max temp, the processor would last much more than 10 years. Sound right?


I think the gentleman who posted the original message is right in being concerned. While PIVs have a degree of 'meltdown' protection that new AMD chips do not, the lifetime of the PIV is remarkably reduced from decades to thousands of hours. Although no comprehensive research has been conducted on catastrophic heat failure, tests have indicated that modern .18, and less so, .16, micron integrated circuits have a life of 1000 to 1500 hours at a sustained 85-95c. If one of your fans stops, its a gonner sooner than later.

Your problem seems to be not so severe but I would't allow my system to burn its processor willy-nilly. This is not Unreal Tournament or Doom or any really important endeavour tongue

My suggestion is to check all your fans, tie up cables, and do whatever possible to get it down below 55c. If it comes to it, rip off the side and point a good 'vornado' or similar brand low noice, high air circulation fan right at your CPU and vicinity.

PIVs just weren't designed to operate at 99-100 load, continuously, without good cooling.

I have been searching for some good articles but none sum it up well. I would reccomend checking out overclocking websites ... [url=http://www.overclockersclub.com/] for more real world advice on heat matters. I also came across this somewhat clumbsy almost technical article with excellent references, though... [url=http://www.digit-life.com/articles/pentium4athlonxpthermalmanagement/]

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Re: Overheating problems

I started to run the software and takes only 30 minutes and the system sensor starts to show overheating problems up to 60-70 Celsius degrees at the processor zone, both system zones won't overheat bet this I'm sure will decrease the T 1/2 of The processor.

System Configuration: Board Intel D865GBF, PIV 3 GHz, 1GB RAM etc..

Anyone who knows more about this issue please I could use some help!! What can I do?...


I've encountered similar problems with a P4 proccessor whose fan wasn't firmly attached.

I'd suggest checking that it's well connected, maybe even add some arctic silver (or whatever they call these heat conducting stuff), since today's CPU's a very heat-sensitive.

if the fan sits correctly,
maybe consider adding a fan to your case, or replacing the CPU fan with a better one...


good luck
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Re: Overheating problems

Useful piece of software which I successfully installed following a recomendation from someone else in these forums is Threadmaster.

This restricts the amount of processor time which any given application can use to a percentage which you can choose.

Get it from http://threadmaster.tripod.com

It does involve configuring parameters via the registry, but instructions on the site are reasonably clear.

Although my desktop machine can cope with 100% processor operation, my laptop is not happy with it and gets very hot, so I have wound WCGrid_Rosetta.exe back to 25% on it and it runs nice and cool now.

I accept everyones comments that processors will not instantly die if run at 100%, however, running at elevated temperatures will reduce the MTBF of electonic devices and you are liable to have to buy a new computer somewhat sooner than you otherwise would.

Some form of throttle should be integrated into the UD Agent to allow control of maximum processor usage without having to esort to external programs.

This lack of flexibility, combined with the very long processing times for work units and the continuous resetting problem covered elsewhere in the forums is going to mean that a lot of people (like me) are unlikely to hang around for long unless there are some changes.

Is anyone from the GRID actually monitoring these forums? If so, just let us know you are there!
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Re: Overheating problems

A few additional comments about "throttling:" if you click the half-moon icon on the expanded World Community Grid Agent window (which you get when you double-click the minimized icon in the System Tray), it will pause execution until you click it again to resume execution. Also, if you've installed ThreadMaster, you can "dethrottle" the grid agent by temporarily disabling ThreadMaster. You can throttle the agent again by enabling ThreadMaster. To do either in Windows 2000, go to the Command Prompt and enter NET STOP THREADMASTER to stop it from throttling the grid agent or NET START THREADMASTER to restart the throttling. You can also uninstall ThreadMaster by following the manual instructions on their website.
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Re: Overheating problems

I don't know how experienced you are with making changes to the system settings, but I'd recommend getting into the BIOS and;

Turning the system clock down from 3Gh (3000MHz) to 2500MHz,

and possibly reducing the voltage to the CPU.

If you're ambitious, check into the overclocking forums to see what is possible for your MoBo. Obviiously, you'll be underclocking, but the principles are the same.

Another idea is to install a better CPU fan/heatsink and get a better case like an Antec.

Good luck.
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Re: Overheating problems

But the OP says his temps are 60 - 70C. Are you saying 70C continuous operation is a problem?

The CPU is designed to run continuously at the rated max. Maybe the processor will only last 10 years or so. Com'on.
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