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PappaSmurf
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sad Not getting any Downloads from the servers ????

Hello ARP,


I have four pc's waiting to run and they have not been able to Download Any Files from the ARP system.

Is it down and if so when can I expect more Data Files?



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Re: Not getting any Downloads from the servers ????

ARP1 has been paused.
See the posts by savas in the "Regarding ARP1 and MCM1 download issues since ARP1's launch on Monday Nov 4th, 2024" News thread, namely this, this and this.
See also the Operational Status tab of the Jurisica Lab WCG webpage, highlighted by savas in this post.
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smile Re: Not getting any Downloads from the servers ????

Hello MJH333,

Thank you so very very much for you reply and the information that was contained within. biggrin

Is their a way for us end users to get status updates from the Project When there are issues with the servers so we do not have to wonder if it is our PC's or some thing else on our end?

Again Thanks for your Help
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Re: Not getting any Downloads from the servers ????

Is their a way for us end users to get status updates from the Project When there are issues with the servers so we do not have to wonder if it is our PC's or some thing else on our end?
As you will know, most BOINC projects have a server status page. WCG does not have one, and never has had one.
So the best way to see information about issues with the servers is the recently created Operational Status tab of the Jurisica Lab WCG webpage which I mentioned above. If you look at it, you will see for example a recent entry (26 November) about forthcoming downtime and the progress on ARP1.
One of the crunchers on WCG (Unixchick) also maintains a kind of unofficial status page. The latest version of this is here. Note that, due to limitations with the Forum software, Unixchick sometimes has to create a new thread with this information in it. So the version I have linked will not always be the latest thread. Note also that the figures given for work units in the last 24 hours are based on WUProp, so do not reflect actual totals, but give a general idea of activity.
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Re: Not getting any Downloads from the servers ????

Still no ARP tasks after server is rebooted
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Re: Not getting any Downloads from the servers ????

If this project produces such valuable science WHY is this entire ecosystem made up of bandaids and tape? Its beyond laughable at this point. 2025 a ya cant keep servers running properly. smh.
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Re: Not getting any Downloads from the servers ????

My machines all have 2 days worth of work, are on 24/7/365 just BOINCing, and are not just 4-cores so...

It's easy to make that kind of statement. SHARCNET is run by universities in Ontario Canada and probably relies on government money, philanthropic donations, and computer science volunteers looking to get experience. This makes it a cost centre and not a profit centre like most datacentres of today. There are no "paying clients" as such. It explains how they could just shut down for a month to renovate.

Speaking of band aids and tape, the internet of today is also made up of band aids and tape since its invention in the mid to late 60's. Look inside modern protocols. It's encapsulation within encapsulation within encapsulation within encapsulation and it works.

E-mail dates back to the dinosaur days. We still have to convert unprintable ASCII characters 0 to 31 in the content using MIME or base64 in case it has to go through some old system which might break. I bet there are none. This is also band aids and tape. In those days content was just English letters, numbers, and some special characters.

There is no IBM with deep pockets and unlimited resources. I'm even surprised WCG survived when it shut down for about 1 year during the transition from IBM. I figured we would all be compelled to computing the upteenth billion decimal of Pi or some unusual occurrence 150 light years across the Milkyway or some Asteroid thing at the other end of the universe.
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Re: Not getting any Downloads from the servers ????

My machines all have 2 days worth of work, are on 24/7/365 just BOINCing, and are not just 4-cores so...

It's easy to make that kind of statement. SHARCNET is run by universities in Ontario Canada and probably relies on government money, philanthropic donations, and computer science volunteers looking to get experience. This makes it a cost centre and not a profit centre like most datacentres of today. There are no "paying clients" as such. It explains how they could just shut down for a month to renovate.

Speaking of band aids and tape, the internet of today is also made up of band aids and tape since its invention in the mid to late 60's. Look inside modern protocols. It's encapsulation within encapsulation within encapsulation within encapsulation and it works.

E-mail dates back to the dinosaur days. We still have to convert unprintable ASCII characters 0 to 31 in the content using MIME or base64 in case it has to go through some old system which might break. I bet there are none. This is also band aids and tape. In those days content was just English letters, numbers, and some special characters.

There is no IBM with deep pockets and unlimited resources. I'm even surprised WCG survived when it shut down for about 1 year during the transition from IBM. I figured we would all be compelled to computing the upteenth billion decimal of Pi or some unusual occurrence 150 light years across the Milkyway or some Asteroid thing at the other end of the universe.

I agree entirely with you BobbyB. Unfortunately the days of hainvg IBM's vast resources/knowledge behind WCG is long gone (no doubt, to save them money so they could funnel it towards shareholders/senior CEOs etc - I can say that, as I used ot work for IBM and have personally suffered financially due to this kind of approach).
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Re: Not getting any Downloads from the servers ????

the days of having IBM's vast resources/knowledge behind WCG is long gone (no doubt, to save them money so they could funnel it towards shareholders/senior CEOs etc - I can say that, as I used ot work for IBM and have personally suffered financially due to this kind of approach).

Sad.
I did not work for IBM but grew up with them in the house. There was an IBM parts room or cabinet at my first job. CICS was partly delevoped there so there were always IBMers around. I was not part of that CICS project team but did work with it then. Yes, the dinosaur days.

It could not really have cost them that much relative to their worth and they could have given over the project in working condition ready to run at SHARCNET.

Just to set the records straight about my 2 days per machine: I decided some time ago that the ARP goal was not attainable so I no longer do ARP.
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Re: Not getting any Downloads from the servers ????

I agree entirely with you BobbyB. Unfortunately the days of hainvg IBM's vast resources/knowledge behind WCG is long gone (no doubt, to save them money so they could funnel it towards shareholders/senior CEOs etc - I can say that, as I used ot work for IBM and have personally suffered financially due to this kind of approach).

I also agree. I never worked with IBM, but I did get to know a couple of their employees who would come to do maintenance on machines my employer had. They were as good as they come.
We also had some machines from other vendors and the customer support from the other vendors was not on par with the IBM support. However, the IBM of today is not the IBM of yesterday. By abandoning its child (WCG) it placed the profit motive way ahead of its other priorities as a good corporate citizen. I have a sneaking suspicion it used its R & D results from its implementation of WCG to enhance and further its corporate objectives and profitability with its bill paying customers. But, by dumping this project they have damaged their investment on public relations and goodwill.
My respect for beancounters is generally quite low as their overzealous pursuit of the bottom line and short term thinking damage the long term viability of the corporate entity. Don't get me wrong, as it is necessary to make a profit to stay in business, but that is not the only key to long term business success. Good, reliable products, good customer service, and fair treatment of the customer are also important components of successful, long term good corporate citizens.

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