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TPCBF
Master Cruncher USA Joined: Jan 2, 2011 Post Count: 2173 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Yes, I did read this link which referred to the website being down on OCT-3-2022. I don't see any explanation for why the website was down again on OCT-4-2022. Now, for that, there was no post. As with the one on 10/3, they seemed to be (over)confident that they had the problem solved (web site and forum, not really a word about the ongoing download issues). This clearly indicates that not only is their monitoring of the system not working, but "communications" and "boots on the ground" at Krembil aren't properly communicating either. Which seems to only exaggerate the overall issue....Ralf |
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7844 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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It's hilarious that some of y'all think posting "I HAVE MANY COMPUTERS SO YOU BETTER STRAIGHTEN UP OR I WILL TAKE MY CYCLES ELSEWHERE GOOD SIR" is making anything better in any way. It's just you, centering yourself, so you can feel righteously indignant. We're not all gonna stand up and clap for your brave defense of your hardware. Yeah, this project has problems. And when you post like this you become one of them, so congrats. Just go. Or don't. But if you're gonna stick around, stop with this kind of noise. I think you are misreading the intentions of these parties. Some of us wish to help with medical research by supplying our cycles to projects which we deem worthwhile. It is a bit frustrating when we want to help, have the ability to do so, and yet can't. It is the scientists and researchers who are being shortchanged. Personally, I am going to stay here because I believe in the projects. If I wish to keep some of my resources busy with other worthwhile projects when WCG is only partially available, it seems prudent to do so. With that said, I hope they get their problems fixed so the researchers can see the progress for which they are hoping. Cheers
Sgt. Joe
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Bryn Mawr
Senior Cruncher Joined: Dec 26, 2018 Post Count: 384 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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It's hilarious that some of y'all think posting "I HAVE MANY COMPUTERS SO YOU BETTER STRAIGHTEN UP OR I WILL TAKE MY CYCLES ELSEWHERE GOOD SIR" is making anything better in any way. It's just you, centering yourself, so you can feel righteously indignant. We're not all gonna stand up and clap for your brave defense of your hardware. Yeah, this project has problems. And when you post like this you become one of them, so congrats. Just go. Or don't. But if you're gonna stick around, stop with this kind of noise. I think you are misreading the intentions of these parties. Some of us wish to help with medical research by supplying our cycles to projects which we deem worthwhile. It is a bit frustrating when we want to help, have the ability to do so, and yet can't. It is the scientists and researchers who are being shortchanged. Personally, I am going to stay here because I believe in the projects. If I wish to keep some of my resources busy with other worthwhile projects when WCG is only partially available, it seems prudent to do so. With that said, I hope they get their problems fixed so the researchers can see the progress for which they are hoping. Cheers I’ve always had multiple projects on the go, as projects have gone awol (CPDN, Rosetta, WCG) I’ve added others to fill in. The nett result is that my resources are busy with worthwhile jobs and I’m not climbing the wall when an individual project has problems. I firmly believe that the people who stepped in to keep this project going when it was in real danger of being canned are doing their damnedest to make it work and it saddens me to see the continuous criticism they are receiving each time they hit a problem - yes, we could wish it was better funded and they could afford to bring in a raft of experts to solve all within a week but the reality is that it is getting better, not getting turned off. |
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TPCBF
Master Cruncher USA Joined: Jan 2, 2011 Post Count: 2173 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I firmly believe that the people who stepped in to keep this project going when it was in real danger of being canned are doing their damnedest to make it work and it saddens me to see the continuous criticism they are receiving each time they hit a problem - yes, we could wish it was better funded and they could afford to bring in a raft of experts to solve all within a week but the reality is that it is getting better, not getting turned off. Well, stepping up is nice, but there is no point in rejecting any blame either.. Some of the issues are not even technical in nature, just the result of poor planing. The issue with the certifications a few weeks ago is a perfect example. And by now, we are not talking a few weeks to get things back up and running. We are counting months now and by the way things are going we might have months to go. I don't think that this requires "a raft of experts", but to show some level of commitment, including to communication. That now infamous "Thank you" email was bad wording even in the best of cases, or simply another sign of bad communication, both internally and externally.. Again, not an issue due to the lack of "experts"...Ralf |
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7844 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I try not to use vindictive criticism, but constructive criticism. I am thankful Krembil stepped up and took over the project but that does not mean they should be exempt from the volunteers noting the shortcomings. I do realize they have their resource constraints and are trying to operate with limited personnel and funding. I am going to hazard a guess that if they put out the word for experienced infrastructure help, there would be a few who might volunteer their time and expertise to help get this train back on the track.
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Sgt. Joe
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hchc
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Aug 15, 2006 Post Count: 865 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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mdxi said:
----------------------------------------It's hilarious that some of y'all think posting "I HAVE MANY COMPUTERS SO YOU BETTER STRAIGHTEN UP OR I WILL TAKE MY CYCLES ELSEWHERE GOOD SIR" is making anything better in any way. It's just you, centering yourself, so you can feel righteously indignant. We're not all gonna stand up and clap for your brave defense of your hardware. Yeah, this project has problems. And when you post like this you become one of them, so congrats. Just go. Or don't. But if you're gonna stick around, stop with this kind of noise. I think their/our frustrations are reasonable, given the poor communication and ridiculous delays to Go Live. I think of CPU/GPU cycles as shares, and people who dedicate significant personal time, human energy, money, and electrical energy are like major shareholders in this effort. Their voices carry weight relative to the amount of free computing power that scientists rely on for their in silico research efforts.
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hchc
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Aug 15, 2006 Post Count: 865 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Cyclops,
----------------------------------------I think if we're being intellectually honest, a reasonable person would read that e-mail and interpret it as a call to Go Live and green lighting the effort to everybody. The messaging in that e-mail and the messaging in the original post of this thread contradict each other.
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Robokapp
Senior Cruncher Joined: Feb 6, 2012 Post Count: 264 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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i'd like to keep contributing but ... it feels like this isn't the right place to do so anymore. No project lasts forever and it feels like this one might not recover. I have 10 years of investment so there's a little bit of gambler's fallacy holding me here and I like my shiny blue badges but that can only drive me for so long.
we've been fighting technical issues instead of deadly diseases lately. that's nt what the WCGrid is about. |
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cappucino
Cruncher Joined: May 5, 2007 Post Count: 17 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Cyclops, I think if we're being intellectually honest, a reasonable person would read that e-mail and interpret it as a call to Go Live and green lighting the effort to everybody. The messaging in that e-mail and the messaging in the original post of this thread contradict each other. I received the email and when I read it I was under the impression that everything was fixed, worked out, and ready to go and in a fully live, production environment available to those who were previously involved as well as new crunchers. I was under the impression that the only thing left was getting the stats updated, current and would slowly be rolled in and eventually get to be up to date with what each user was at. I was entirely prepared to start accepting new WU's on my PC, where the largest bulk of timely crunching is done at. I was going to wait a few days as I'm very close to getting my first badge at TN-Grid who I'm currently curnching for. My Android tablet continues to get, crunch, and send back WU's at a rate of about 2-4 per day, which is obviously far less than what can be accomplished on my (old) PC. I'm glad I read the forums tonight. My gut told me I should check here first before I ever switch back to accepting new tasks/wu's from WCG on my PC and I was correct. I have crunched in the past during this "test" time, but I'm done doing that (on my PC) and will continue to stick with TN-Grid and DENIS@Home (whenever they come back). I'm still all in with WCG, make no mistake about it. My Android device will stick with it during this beta period but my PC will not be switched back until you're 100% ready and fixed. I want it do be doing work with no issues and that count immediately. To find out the true nature of what you wanted and really meant to communicate in the email is a bit disappointing to say the least. I really do not see how you or anyone involved could have possibly thought that anyone wouldn't come to the same conclusions I did by what was sent. [Edit 1 times, last edit by cappucino at Oct 6, 2022 7:27:51 AM] |
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sergey-serov
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2014 Post Count: 1 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Greetings to All!
WCG is a unique system. I suppose WCG was designed in IBM without hard requirement to make it easy for migration. As I undesrtand from posts on this forum - there are problems with network and servers CPU/storages. It is necessary to buy new devices: prepare plan, confirm budget, orders, delivery, installation in data center. And then settings, development and tests. And integrate all with existing infrastructure. I'm sure most people in IT sphere with 10+ years of expirience were in such difficult case with old project needed to migrate. When I saw last winter message that they were planning to migrate during month(!) I was surprised. We all here want to make World better and more humanity. And we help with computer calculation keeping in mind that results of this researches will be public. Finnally, new drugs or technologies will be accesseble to all people, not only for riches and elites. Ancient Rome was builded not for a day, and not for a year! :) So, I wish guys from WCG to resolve issues and take this extra high level. P.S. From web-development world: manager asks me - "How long will we migrate project from Drupal 7 to Drupal 9?" "Several months" - I answere, keeping in mind that finally with all testing and bugfixing it will take one year. Manager says - "Oohh, it must be easy, just a couple of weeks"..... Ha-ha-ha :)))))) |
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