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procyon75
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Apple has a 10% share of global PC shipment.
All the mac are migrating since 2 years to ARM. New machines are more powerful and energy efficient than the one they replace. Do we really compare some Android phone / Linux ARM market share versus all the mac sold since 2 years ? Some engineering companies run hackathon and give time for good causes, maybe they choose seek help to jumpstart the port ? |
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tengelbach
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And this 10% that Mac commands will (on Apple Silicon) be more powerful than 90% of PCs sold. Very disappointed to see this power not put to good use already when it's idle :(
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JoeMalik
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March 2023 and still no apps for Apple Silicon (arm64)...? If a project has apps for Android, which runs on mobile phones with arm processors, isn't it just to compile the same source code for Apple Silicon? Obviously it is not so easy...
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gibbcorp
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The problem is Apple they love controlling everything. Maybe when ARM windows works on it that will make things better. I don't think native ARM would be much better really Rosetta is really good. My mac mini is really efficient at WCG. Much more efficient than my ARM devices and x86 devices. ARM is much more specialised and stripped down than x86 so harder to program. Apple silicon is good at calculations it is optimised for. You will notice good benchmarks are all for the same things. If you look at GPUs they are miles more efficient and powerful but really hard to program and very specific. Apparently WCG have said they will be working with Nvidia to explore more GPU projects which will be good.
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ericinboston
Senior Cruncher Joined: Jan 12, 2010 Post Count: 251 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Anyone from WCG have a comment on this 2 year old topic? I have numerous M1 and M2 machines (and supposedly M3 is around the corner) and would really like to get as much crunching as possible.
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Unixchick
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WCG isn't responding to much of anything these days. I will guess that your request is not on the drawing board at the moment, as they struggle to keep the platform up.
Would the M* support be a platform thing (WCG) or a project thing (MCM)? either way it will be a funding issue. are there other boinc or not boinc projects that support M*? |
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sjmielh
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Hi Unixchick,
Yes in Boinc there are more and more projects! Platforms that support the Apple Silicon are: Einstein@home, PrimeGrid (even supports the GPU!) and Denis@home). The only none-boinc projects I know is Dreamlab. It is the only one that I know that run on iOS. It is actually an iOS app that can also run on Macs. Sjmielh |
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Unixchick
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While these distributed projects do use the power of all our computers to further the research, they also do another thing.
It involves us all as a group. It lets us be a part of the solution. It lets us know about subjects that are being studied. We are citizen scientists. It isn't just about getting the work done in a quick efficient manner, but it also about letting as many of us as possible be a part of it. It is designed to let the tech with a bunch of machines and the kid with just one old machine both participate. The new macs can still participate, but not at a highly efficient way, as there isn't code written on WGC to take advantage of that right now. Anyone have a contact at Apple?? Will they donate the hours or money to do this?? IBM did for a while, but they decided it wasn't worth it anymore. I'm happy here (with Einstein as a backup project) with my Mac for now. The original poster just hadn't understood what was going on. WCG was being saved, on a shoestring budget, and hope. It wasn't a time to ask for special code for Macs. |
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sjmielh
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It would be great to have better Mac support, luckly Rosetta emulation layer has good performance.
Support from Apple doesn't help a lot, because folding@home has/had support from Apple and the clients don't work very well on Macs. What works best is if the projects have open source code and someone in the community takes on the challenge to improve the Mac support. But that are lots of ifs of course Sjmielh |
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