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getting informed on a topic requires more than just looking at a headline

But... There is so much more to the headline than what people are reading in the initial story. So far it is just pre-builts above a certain category... Such as what you mentioned with power supply.

But the content is a lot more deep than that...

A person in California cannot get a desktop i9 or a Ryzen 8 core shipped to them in a pre-built system. What a joke. Soon, it will be certain types of screens.

Not far down the road, it will be every consumer product... In the very near future one will not be able to build their own high end system if one lives in California.

Hope that not many consumers want to use their systems for: Medicine, Engineering, Media Editing, etc... in the near future in California. It really is that bad. Also do not forget; we're also "talking" about ten percent of the american population here. Add in the other states and it becomes 15%+
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Snowden uses TOR so if he feels comfortable with it then so do I.


First thing is, I know Snowden personally - I used to work directly with him on a frequent basis. Yes ay times he does use TOR. But it is far, far more extensive than that.

For Snowden it genuinely needs to be a lot more than that. His life is actually still on the line. There is literally a capture and kill order that is still out for Snowden today. Even a present neighbor of mine "General Hxxxxx" has personally indicated that, as have countless others.

Getting back to the topic...

Each and every time one uses a device, you are far from hidden. That applies to almost everyone. Companies such as Google, Amazon, Facebook, and others know exactly the hardware that you are using - each and every time it is briefly conncteed.

VPNs do log, and log extensively. It's not difficult to trace back through almost every VPN.

As for the hardware ID thing... Think of it this way... Use an iPhone12 to go online with through your WiFI using any additional level of security one could possibly imagine. Your paid internet provider knows all of the (more than one) hardware identifiers before connection is made past them.
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I don't use a smartphone. I figured you were talking about these devices when you mentioned hardware identifiers.

Each and every time one uses a device, you are far from hidden. That applies to almost everyone. Companies such as Google, Amazon, Facebook, and others know exactly the hardware that you are using - each and every time it is briefly conncteed.
Yes this is common knowledge (I hope) and I'm pretty sure you are referring to smartphones re: hardware. I did not get into that because it was off topic.

The topic was pre-built computer systems (Dell, Alienware) and that a high end Ryzen would stop working in California. It ended up being a supplier could not ship to California unless it has a Gold Rated 800w power supply. I demonstrated that an off-the-shelf PC does not know where it is when booted.

Configure their highest end desktop, also using their highest end (currently Ryzen) processor. Watch what happens in configuring it and then trying to ship it to a place such as California. It will not work, it will not happen.
This I would have to see to believe. Having anyone tell me so does not cut it. Point me to a Dell link which states this.

I would not want to be in Snowden shoes. Maybe we can start a conspiracy theory that he is really a double agent still working for his "former boss" or even better a triple agent who is letting his "former boss" think they still run him.

And I take it back about Microsoft knowing how many licences I have. They know this licence is legit for this computer system. Why would they care about my IP; I could move and I don't have a MS account.

I had missed the post above about the video from GamersNexus. Yes! exactly.
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If anyone is interested, GamersNexus has just produced an in-depth video covering what is going on here. Sadly a lot of websites engaged in clickbait when it basically boils down to OEMs like Dell needing to use 80 Plus Gold power supplies or better. It's 20 minutes long but sometimes getting informed on a topic requires more than just looking at a headline.

Wow, the first post in this topic linking to some information! nerd
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If anyone is interested, GamersNexus has just produced an in-depth video covering what is going on here. Sadly a lot of websites engaged in clickbait when it basically boils down to OEMs like Dell needing to use 80 Plus Gold power supplies or better. It's 20 minutes long but sometimes getting informed on a topic requires more than just looking at a headline.

Wow, the first post in this topic linking to some information! nerd

Well worth the 20 minutes.
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I could see arguments saying "Oh no, this new power efficiency requirement will make the cost of computers go up in the long run!" or something, but if you're looking to argue that this is part of some conspiracy theory to suppress high power PCs or something, this ain't it chief. A bunch of states have implemented power efficiency requirements because policies like this is how you make a dent in carbon emissions. And if most people have a home PC and a PC they use at work, that's something like 60 million PCs in California. If 60 million PCs become more power efficient over 5 years, that will make a big cumulative impact. It's temporary pain for long term gain. And you can get around it if you just want to build your own PC.

This is exactly like how people got freaked out that incandescent light bulbs got phased out in favor of CFLs and LEDs. "BUT MUH LIGHT BOLBS!!!" Yeah, things got more expensive in the short run, but once everyone was producing LEDs, cost came way down, and now LEDs are way cheaper considering they last longer than incandescents. Don't really see the problem here...
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I have a question:
Where exactly in my computer does it register what type of power supply I am using?
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Where exactly in my computer does it register what type of power supply I am using?
You'll have to pop off one of the side panels of your computer (the one required depends on how the power supply is mounted) and then you will be able to see the specifications of the unit. It's not something visible in the operating system.
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Its ironic how we pride ourselves with freedom in America but yet now they come out with rules like these. Never have I thought we would see the day where they are telling you what kinds of computer parts you can have in your system. I understand about energy efficiency but we would be much better served by focusing on building out an electric grid with clean renewable energy than starving people of every single watt possible. News flash, the green economy (electric transportation) is going to require a whole hell of a lot more electricity (orders of magnitude more) than what we are wasting now from computers. Our current fossil fuel transportation creates much more waste and emissions than computers could ever hope to. Wonder if the law makers have thought of that? I hope they fix their priorities.

I use titanium certified power supplies in my systems, the most efficient ones you can get (94% typical) because I want to save money on electricity. Let the market determine what parts people get based on their needs. I don't think most people and companies are out to burn as much power as possible. End rant :)
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Not totally correct.

As the video explains, a small system integrator or a DIYer is pretty much exempt from this rule so you CAN have whatever you want in your system. It's just Dell who can't ship that pre-built configuration to CA. We already accept all this lack of freedom for cars like seat belts, airbags, front ends which crumple on a hard impact, etc. It's just GM can't ship a gas guzzler Hummer to CA but I bet if you could find an old gas guzzling pre seat belt car you could run it or even rebuild the motor to gas guzzling specs if it does not work. Not sure of CA regulations but where I am it would work.

A non compliant high end Ryzen laptop bought in Las Vegas would work in Los Angeles contrary to what the starter of this thread stated.
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