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ericinboston
Senior Cruncher Joined: Jan 12, 2010 Post Count: 265 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I installed 7.16.4 and it's made no difference. 4 Threads, tops. Are you sure you are running 8 threads all the time/very often?
----------------------------------------What could possibly make my 5 M1 Mac Minis only use 3-4 threads while your identical Mini is (seemingly) consistently using 8 threads? It doesn't make sense if you are running the same software (BOINC and same MCM) on the same hardware (M1 Mac Mini 8GB RAM) with the same OS and same CPU. How many MCM WUs are you averaging a day? I'm averaging 45-50. ![]() |
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mbotmiller
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I installed 7.16.4 and it's made no difference. 4 Threads, tops. Are you sure you are running 8 threads all the time/very often? What could possibly make my 5 M1 Mac Minis only use 3-4 threads while your identical Mini is (seemingly) consistently using 8 threads? It doesn't make sense if you are running the same software (BOINC and same MCM) on the same hardware (M1 Mac Mini 8GB RAM) with the same OS and same CPU. How many MCM WUs are you averaging a day? I'm averaging 45-50. Yes, I am sure that the M1 Mac mini with 8GB of memory is running 8 threads consistently. I think the potential difference (which I agree doesn't make a lot of sense and seems counter intuitive to me) could be what we discussed back in this thread between December 2nd and December 4th: https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,42987_offset,33 Since I sometimes use this computer for other things during the week, I have a number of other programs on it running in the background. As we had discussed back in December, it counterintuitively seemed like opening several memory heavy applications actually helped with the BOINC agent being able to run more threads consistently. If you wanted to give it a try, you could try opening up a web browser and then open up a bunch of tabs (or otherwise open up a number of other applications) just to increase the memory pressure on your system and see if that causes the BOINC agent to start up some new threads. In terms of MCM WUs that I'm averaging when crunching 24/7, over the past two days I'm seeing ~60-62 results per day. For the past 24 hours, the breakdown of the 60 completed results was 22 of the fast ones (37% of total) that took 1.68 hours on average and 38 of the slower ones (63% of total) that took 3.92 hours on average. After I collect data for a few more days of running 8 threads simultaneously, I plan to limit the M1 Mac mini to 4 threads (via setting BOINC to only use 50% of CPUs) and see if I can reproduce the study I did previously in this post: https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,42987_offset,45 From that past experience, I expect to see similar performance running only 4 threads vs 8 threads since as was previously discussed in this thread, the M1 chip has only 4 performance cores. |
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ericinboston
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After I collect data for a few more days of running 8 threads simultaneously, I plan to limit the M1 Mac mini to 4 threads (via setting BOINC to only use 50% of CPUs) and see if I can reproduce the study I did previously in this post: https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,42987_offset,45 From that past experience, I expect to see similar performance running only 4 threads vs 8 threads since as was previously discussed in this thread, the M1 chip has only 4 performance cores. Thanks for all the hard work and testing!! Yes, I would love to see the results! ![]() |
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BladeD
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Nov 17, 2004 Post Count: 28976 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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This question has been posted numerous times, sometimes buried in threads, since November 2020 and nobody from the MCM is answering it. Essentially all Macs starting this summer will be on the new M1 (and future design) chip. Currently, with the Apple Emulation Software, MCM runs terribly and produces far fewer WUs than it should. Is anyone on this forum from the MCM team? Since Apple has infinitely more resources than the MCM team, maybe you should ask Apple to fund this. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by BladeD at Jun 18, 2021 1:24:41 AM] |
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ericinboston
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This question has been posted numerous times, sometimes buried in threads, since November 2020 and nobody from the MCM is answering it. Is anyone on this forum from the MCM team? Since Apple has infinitely more resources than the MCM team, maybe you should ask Apple to fund this. Great and purposeful reply. But I'll bite anyway...the MCM team DOES NOT VISIT THIS FORUM WHICH IS DISRESPECTFUL TO US CONTRIBUTORS WHO ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THE PROJECT. The MCM team would AT LEAST reply to this topic, which, again, has been posted numerous times for the past 10 months. This lack of response reflects POORLY on the MCM team as well as World Community Grid. ![]() |
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BladeD
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Nov 17, 2004 Post Count: 28976 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I don't have any inside information, but I doubt any current WCG projects will support the Apple M1 chips natively.
----------------------------------------So, the question should be when will new WCG projects support the Apple M1 chips natively? BTW, if the MCM team didn't visit the forum, we wouldn't get updates from them. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by BladeD at Jun 20, 2021 6:33:33 PM] |
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ericinboston
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So, the question should be when will new WCG projects support the Apple M1 chips natively? That's not the question...and never has been. The existing WCG projects should respect and understand their volunteer base and support them. BTW, if the MCM team didn't visit the forum, we wouldn't get updates from them. Then explain why they can't answer a simple question after 10 months of posts. ![]() [Edit 2 times, last edit by ericinboston at Jun 21, 2021 3:37:46 AM] |
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Falconet
Master Cruncher Portugal Joined: Mar 9, 2009 Post Count: 3315 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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For several years now, few, if any researchers come to the forums and post. Well, all I can remember from recently are a couple of posts by Diogo from the OPN team about a year ago. Waiting for anyone from the research teams to come here and answer questions is, in my opinion, a waste of time. Best one can hope is a reply from the WCG team.
----------------------------------------Support for the M1 architecture is likely very dependent on how many M1s are currently active at WCG. I wonder how many M1s there are right now at WCG - a few hundred? I'm all for a Native M1 application for MCM, which is probably the only project where the investment in the application is worth since MIP is ending and OPN has OpenCL support, but right now, it's probably not something very high up on the to-do list, which as we all know, is a very long list for a small team. You could try emailing WCG regarding this subject. ![]() - AMD Ryzen 5 1600AF 6C/12T 3.2 GHz - 85W - AMD Ryzen 5 2500U 4C/8T 2.0 GHz - 28W - AMD Ryzen 7 7730U 8C/16T 3.0 GHz [Edit 2 times, last edit by Falconet at Jun 21, 2021 4:35:41 AM] |
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BladeD
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Nov 17, 2004 Post Count: 28976 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Then explain why they can't answer a simple question after 10 months of posts. Maybe the same reason where one person leaving a school, cancels a whole WCG project. |
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