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Ian-n-Steve C.
Senior Cruncher United States Joined: May 15, 2020 Post Count: 180 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
IMO, true invalid results should not receive credit. you shouldn't be rewarded for providing incorrect results, regardless of time spent.
----------------------------------------now if we're talking false invalids that are really still useful but only marked invalid for the validator being too strict, then I'm on the fence, it's up to the project to make the call. but a truely wrong result? no credit should be given. it promotes types of cheating where someone manipulates the application or calculation to make it run faster, but providing incorrect results. I agree with Richard, that tie-breakers should be employed here to see which is the true result. and they really need to allow cross validation between device types. having nvidia/nvidia, amd/amd, intel/intel always paired up is asking for trouble with application or device type that produces consistently invalid results, but they match so that validator would mark them both correct. EPYC 7V12 / [5] RTX A4000 EPYC 7B12 / [5] RTX 3080Ti + [2] RTX 2080Ti EPYC 7B12 / [6] RTX 3070Ti + [2] RTX 3060 [2] EPYC 7642 / [2] RTX 2080Ti |
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nanoprobe
Master Cruncher Classified Joined: Aug 29, 2008 Post Count: 2998 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
IMO, true invalid results should not receive credit. you shouldn't be rewarded for providing incorrect results, regardless of time spent. now if we're talking false invalids that are really still useful but only marked invalid for the validator being too strict, then I'm on the fence, it's up to the project to make the call. but a truely wrong result? no credit should be given. it promotes types of cheating where someone manipulates the application or calculation to make it run faster, but providing incorrect results. I agree with Richard, that tie-breakers should be employed here to see which is the true result. and they really need to allow cross validation between device types. having nvidia/nvidia, amd/amd, intel/intel always paired up is asking for trouble with application or device type that produces consistently invalid results, but they match so that validator would mark them both correct. We'll have to agree to disagree. If your resources are used to run the task until it's finished there should be some sort of thank you. Even an invalid task gives the researchers info. It's been done here in the past and I see no reason it can't be done again, especially with the amount of invalids for this project.
In 1969 I took an oath to defend and protect the U S Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and Domestic. There was no expiration date.
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Dayle Diamond
Senior Cruncher Joined: Jan 31, 2013 Post Count: 450 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Invalid results should not get credits.
I don't want to be thanked with credits, I want a fairly accurate accounting of the valid results I've done that can be compared across WCG projects. Users who do not have an automated script running to request high-credit tasks every 2 minutes are barely impacted by running an invalid work unit for several minutes once every few days. |
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Ian-n-Steve C.
Senior Cruncher United States Joined: May 15, 2020 Post Count: 180 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
You don’t need a “thank you” for providing incorrect results. That’s an entitled attitude. No other project pays credit for invalids.
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Mike.Gibson
Ace Cruncher England Joined: Aug 23, 2007 Post Count: 12132 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
There is a big difference between an Invalid where you are the only one to return the unit as Invalid and the many case where all the copies are returned as Invalid. In the first scenario, you are deemed to be at fault and you should not get credits. In the second scenario, you should not be deemed to be at fault and should get credits.
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nanoprobe
Master Cruncher Classified Joined: Aug 29, 2008 Post Count: 2998 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
You don’t need a “thank you” for providing incorrect results. That’s an entitled attitude. No other project pays credit for invalids. Entitled attitude? Really? Thank you Dr. Phil for giving me your attitude that I have an attitude. I never knew. And like I said, they have granted credits for invalid returns here before and considering that they are running about 10% ATM ............ The floor is all yours. I'm done.
In 1969 I took an oath to defend and protect the U S Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and Domestic. There was no expiration date.
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Ian-n-Steve C.
Senior Cruncher United States Joined: May 15, 2020 Post Count: 180 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Well like I said. No other project pays for invalids. WCG shouldn’t either. If they decide they want to be nice and give some credits, more power to them. But they shouldn’t in any way be pressured or guilted into it by the users who think their time is more important than correct results.
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Dayle Diamond
Senior Cruncher Joined: Jan 31, 2013 Post Count: 450 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Nano, your signature line is substantial.
I'm sure you wouldn't like if it people thought it reflected the amount of errors you submitted. If you want a 'thank you' for submitting invalid tasks, here it is. Thank you. |
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adriverhoef
Master Cruncher The Netherlands Joined: Apr 3, 2009 Post Count: 2085 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Invalid tasks have been here in the past, too. It's nothing new.
----------------------------------------See this post from 2013 by knreed, e.g., to quote: 2) The second change is that if your result is invalid, then the max credit you get is 50% of the computed credit or your claimed credit, whichever is less. Even when OPNG tasks aren't included, there are cases nowadays: Pages: 2 [Edit 4 times, last edit by adriverhoef at Apr 25, 2021 4:47:15 PM] |
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Richard Haselgrove
Senior Cruncher United Kingdom Joined: Feb 19, 2021 Post Count: 360 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
I think this is the longest-running task I've seen yet: 16:30 on half a GTX 1660 Ti under Linux - OPNG_0013362_00034
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