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Bryn Mawr
Senior Cruncher Joined: Dec 26, 2018 Post Count: 344 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Glad you’ve got it up and running, you’ll find it churns work out like a good’un.
----------------------------------------Your temps are about the same as my 65 watt Ryzens using the stock cooler - changing to the 105 watt rated prism cooler dropped that by about 10c. I undervolted my R5 3600 and it helped the temp without affecting performance but when I tried with the R7 3700x it flat refused to boot and I had to revert to standard. I’ve not tried on the R9 3900. [Edit 2 times, last edit by Bryn Mawr at Mar 20, 2021 5:57:55 AM] |
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BobbyB
Veteran Cruncher Canada Joined: Apr 25, 2020 Post Count: 609 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The numbers look good with less than 24hrs up. I'll now retire my Lenovo T400. Seems a waste of electricity now for the work it puts out.
It's now all in with 24 CPUs doing 100% and not much difference in temperature. It may touch 80 degrees now a bit more often. Seems the Hyper212 EVO can do the job. Glad about that. I really did not want to take it apart to change the backplate again for another HSF. I'm not running ARP yet in case I have to shut down the system. All this with buying anything from Amazon. |
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alanb1951
Veteran Cruncher Joined: Jan 20, 2006 Post Count: 953 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
@Bryn Mawr
I concur with those who reckon the default CPU Core voltage is unnecessarily high for systems typically used to crunch BOINC projects! So, regarding your failed under-volting... I have a 3700X on an Asus X470-F motherboard, and I'd been following debates about performance tuning that wasn't about overclocking, as I reckoned the default CPU voltage was too high. The system does both CPU and GPU work on various BOINC projects (but never uses more than 12 or 13 of the 16 available "CPUs" for BOINC stuff...) I knocked about 5C off the running temperature of a fairly busy system [including GPU work] by reducing Package Power Tracking from the standard 88W to 80W. (That's higher than what it would set it to for "Eco Mode" and seemed like a reasonable thing to try...) As a side-effect, CPU Core voltage on a busy system went down from well over 1.3V to comfortably below 1.3V. There was no obvious drop in performance or throughput - clock rates and job times were within +/- 1% of the pre-change values (and yes, some of them seemed to run a little better at the reduced voltage!) The above reflects the system running an Einstein@home GPU task as well as various CPU tasks - as I have an NVIDIA card, Einstein hammers a CPU as well as the GPU! If not running GPU work, the CPU seemed to run 10C..15C cooler and the motherboard temperature dropped by over 10C - CPU voltage was lower too. However, I was more interested in reducing power a little -- temperatures (even with ambient above 30C) were acceptable after the change... I suspect that if one is trying to reduce power draw (rather than just improving cooling to reduce temperature) letting the system work out its own power curves is probably preferable to user tweaking, though judging by comments at Seti@home and elsewhere when the Ryzen 3xxx machines appeared, lots of folks have successfully under-volted. Could be it's down to what motherboard (and BIOS) one has (and, of course, what it will let you change!) Cheers - Al. |
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Bryn Mawr
Senior Cruncher Joined: Dec 26, 2018 Post Count: 344 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
@alanb1951
Sounds as though your experiences were pretty similar to mine. My intention was more to reduce power draw than temperature which was well within tolerance and it was successful in doing so. With my bios the option was to change cpu voltage from auto to relative and set a negative offset. From memory I went for -0.1 volt and that worked fine. When I changed to the R7 it failed to boot until I set it back to auto and I’ve not played with it since. I might at some point try setting -0.01 and working my way up but stability is my first concern and having the system fail to boot worried me. |
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sam6861
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Mar 31, 2020 Post Count: 107 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
On my Ryzen 3900x and Ryzen 2700x, I have Turbo core / Turbo boost off in Motherboard BIOS settings, to reduce CPU voltage and save some watts. The speed loss is almost nothing while all cores are maxed.
I found the best way to reduce CPU speed is to just keep the Motherboard BIOS settings at auto/default CPU frequency and auto CPU voltage, and adjust CPU power management in Windows/Linux. On Windows, edit power plan, maximum processor state. Can download a windows tool called HWinfo64 to see CPU voltage, temperature, frequency, and possibly more. Linux should have CPU frequency scaling tools and see results with lm-sensors. Frequency ajustments while in operating system can save time and can avoid any need to restart computer. Here is my Maximum processor state (MaxPS) showing changes on HWinfo64 details. Ryzen 2700x Win10, Asus Prime B350, Heatsink PureRock BeQuiet 150w TDP, turbo core off. MaxPS, speed, CPU volts, CPU package power, CPU die average 100 % , 3.7 GHz, 1.156v, 97 w, 64 C 99-86%, 3.2 GHz, 0.950v, 60 w, 51 C <= 85%, 2.2 GHz, 0.781v, 34 w, 41 C Ryzen 3900x Win10, MSI B450 Tomahawk, stock Heatsink fan included in CPU package, turbo core off. 100%,3.80 GHz, 1.125v, 110 w, 82 C 99%, 3.73 GHz, 1.075v, 98 w, 77 C 98%, 3.68 GHz, 1.050v, 93 w, 73 C 97%, 3.63 GHz, 1.025v, 88 w, 70 C 96%, 3.60 GHz, 1.012v, 86 w, 69 C 95%, 3.58 GHz, 1.000v, 84 w, 68 C 94%, 3.53 GHz, 0.981v, 81 w, 67 C 93%, 3.50 GHz, 0.975v, 78 w, 65 C 92%, 3.45 GHz, 0.950v, 74 w, 64 C 91%, 3.40 GHz, 0.938v, 72 w, 63 C 90%, 3.38 GHz, 0.938v, 72 w, 63 C ... didn't feel like testing all speeds ... <59%,2.20 GHz, 0.925v, 56 w, 55 C Ryzen 3900x have nice frequency adjustments from Windows maximum processor states. It is amazing how much watts is saved with slightly less GHz speed, while BOINC use all CPU threads. |
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BobbyB
Veteran Cruncher Canada Joined: Apr 25, 2020 Post Count: 609 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
After the first full 24 hours of running at 100% the machine put out 200000 points with the temp at 76-79.
All in all, it was a very good project. |
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Bryn Mawr
Senior Cruncher Joined: Dec 26, 2018 Post Count: 344 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
After the first full 24 hours of running at 100% the machine put out 200000 points with the temp at 76-79. All in all, it was a very good project. You should find that goes up some over the next couple of days. |
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flynryan
Senior Cruncher United States Joined: Aug 15, 2006 Post Count: 235 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Regarding my earlier comments about manually setting voltage and clock speed. If you are uncomfortable changing voltages, one can presumably simply set the clock speed or ratio in the motherboard bios and let the motherboard automatically figure out voltages. Even just a few hundred Mhz decrease from say 4 ghz to 3.8 ghz could reduce temps and power draw significantly, which is especially important if using stock cooling. For 24/7 use it would be nice to stay under 80c but even better at 60 or 70 degrees c. Sam6861 has a pretty good table of settings there that illustrates just how much temp and power is reduced with a slightly lower clock.
----------------------------------------As a general plan I reduce the clocks by a few hundred Mhz in the summer months so less AC is needed, and crank it up in the winter when more heat is desirable ;) Anyways, congrats on the new build BobbyB [Edit 1 times, last edit by FlynRyan at Mar 22, 2021 5:50:09 PM] |
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BobbyB
Veteran Cruncher Canada Joined: Apr 25, 2020 Post Count: 609 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The default BIOS was set to 3800 Mhz and 1.4nn volts
----------------------------------------I changed BCLK Frequency from 100.00 to 98.00 and got back to the BIOS after a boot and it was down to 37nn Mhz and still 1.4nn volts. Figured that must be wrong. There are too many parameters in all that BIOS which I don't understand. My instincts tell me to only make changes I understand. I was about to put it all back to default and give up when I noticed something about auto tuner in their "AI". This was not in the manual. Gave it a try and checked the settings after a boot: 4000 Mhz and 1.2nn volts. Well that was exactly what the you suggested so I gave it a go. The temp now hovers at around 70-72 instead of 76-79. Now to see if the output changes much [Edit 2 times, last edit by BobbyB at Mar 27, 2021 3:13:22 AM] |
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BobbyB
Veteran Cruncher Canada Joined: Apr 25, 2020 Post Count: 609 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
This is almost contradictory. You lower the BCLK and the "AI" raises the MHz which is overclocking so you would expect more heat but the "AI" lowers the voltage and together this lowers the heat. Now why does it not come out like this from the factory? I know there must be a good reason.
----------------------------------------It's been 2 full 24-hour cycles since that BIOS tweak and the numbers look about the same for that machine and still hovering at about 72C. 1-Jul-2021 12:10 UTC-4 OK it's summer now. I'm in a heat wave and I see the temps jump to ~77-78 using the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO which was at the very limit for the AMD 3900X (as per Cooler Master). So I lowered CPU to about 85% usage which sent me back to winter ~72 degrees. I kinda suspected the Hyper 212 was not enough. I changed the cooler for a 6-pipe Noctua NH-D15S and now see winter temps using 100% CPU. [Edit 2 times, last edit by BobbyB at Jul 1, 2021 4:14:08 PM] |
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