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gb009761
Master Cruncher Scotland Joined: Apr 6, 2005 Post Count: 2982 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
A few years ago, there was a big 'song and dance' from IBM/WCG over a competition for scientists to bring forward new project proposals based on the climate. At the time, it was announced that three projects had been selected (subsequently, the ARP project launched), but we've never heard anything else about the other two. Are they still 'in the works' (don't worry, I'm only looking for a 'yes/no' type answer, I certainly wouldn't be looking for any kind of dates - although, if that information is available, it'd certainly be appreciated).
----------------------------------------Of course, the current Covid-19 pandemic has been everyone's primary concern, but, in my opinion, the climate is something that is also becoming a critical issue. Almost every day, we're hearing of new record temperatures being set, wildfires raging out of control etc., and whether we like (or wish to admit) it or not, these are the effects of climate change playing out in reality. We've only got this one planet that we call home, and thus, anything to help nurture and keep it safe for everyone, the better. ![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Last update:
----------------------------------------Hello everyone, A quick update on where we stand with the two remaining environmental/climate change projects. Emory University - The project will use a research application developed by the researchers at Emory University. While the Emory team continues their work on developing the scientific algorithms, we're in the process of putting in place the grant agreement with them. Once both activities are complete, we will start the work to integrate the research application into World Community Grid. Ideally, we would launch this project later in the year, but due to the pandemic, everything else is moving much more slowly. Far Eastern Federal University - One of the two principal investigators for this proposed project has moved to a new university in a different country. Far Eastern Federal University is not going forward with the project at this time. We'll update you once we begin onboarding the Emory project - in the meantime, we're focusing on the upcoming OpenPandemics project and our existing projects. Thanks for your support, Juan [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Aug 18, 2020 1:05:13 PM] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
The very latest words on the Emory project are in this July 28 post by uplinger
https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewpostinthread?post=635829 WIP |
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supdood
Senior Cruncher USA Joined: Aug 6, 2015 Post Count: 333 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Of course, the current Covid-19 pandemic has been everyone's primary concern, but, in my opinion, the climate is something that is also becoming a critical issue. Almost every day, we're hearing of new record temperatures being set, wildfires raging out of control etc., and whether we like (or wish to admit) it or not, these are the effects of climate change playing out in reality. We've only got this one planet that we call home, and thus, anything to help nurture and keep it safe for everyone, the better. I, too, want to see the next climate change-related project hit production soon, but let's make sure we have the correct context here. I have seen similar sentiments as you wrote here in other users' posts throughout the forums. The two climate projects on WCG (African Rainfall and Emory's study of the effects of heat on human health) do not reduce our contribution to global warming and the resultant climate change. They will improve our understanding of the effects of climate change on our weather and our health, but they will do nothing to fight climate change. Rather, our computing infrastructure will contribute to climate change via our electricity use and will contribute to other environmental and human rights crises from the full life cycle effects of their components (raw material extraction, refining, manufacture, shipping, disposal).I am not suggesting that we should stop crunching; we must continue the advancement of science. However, we must also be clear in our understanding and description of what we are accomplishing. Fighting climate change? No. Contributing to important scientific research on the effects of climate change that may improve our adaptation to those effects? Yes. |
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gb009761
Master Cruncher Scotland Joined: Apr 6, 2005 Post Count: 2982 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Thanks everyone for your timely updates - I hadn't seen any of them (unfortunately, other things keep me away from being 'on top of' all the updates that are posted, so I wasn't aware as to what was happening.
----------------------------------------supdood - I totally understand and agree with your sentiments. As stated, I wasn't aware of what the other two (now one) project's aim was, and hence my 'generic' hope for something that'll help with this climate crisis. On a personal level, I try to keep my consumption down as much as possible, reusing/repairing things as much as I can - as, for the vast majority of the things we humans use/consume, it's the manufacturing/disposal that uses up the most resources. ![]() |
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yoerik
Senior Cruncher Canada Joined: Mar 24, 2020 Post Count: 413 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Of course, the current Covid-19 pandemic has been everyone's primary concern, but, in my opinion, the climate is something that is also becoming a critical issue. Almost every day, we're hearing of new record temperatures being set, wildfires raging out of control etc., and whether we like (or wish to admit) it or not, these are the effects of climate change playing out in reality. We've only got this one planet that we call home, and thus, anything to help nurture and keep it safe for everyone, the better. I, too, want to see the next climate change-related project hit production soon, but let's make sure we have the correct context here. I have seen similar sentiments as you wrote here in other users' posts throughout the forums. The two climate projects on WCG (African Rainfall and Emory's study of the effects of heat on human health) do not reduce our contribution to global warming and the resultant climate change. They will improve our understanding of the effects of climate change on our weather and our health, but they will do nothing to fight climate change. Rather, our computing infrastructure will contribute to climate change via our electricity use and will contribute to other environmental and human rights crises from the full life cycle effects of their components (raw material extraction, refining, manufacture, shipping, disposal).I am not suggesting that we should stop crunching; we must continue the advancement of science. However, we must also be clear in our understanding and description of what we are accomplishing. Fighting climate change? No. Contributing to important scientific research on the effects of climate change that may improve our adaptation to those effects? Yes. *laughs in Hydroelectricity* But legit. Yes, some WCG users will use fossil fuels to power their crunching - but the potential benefits of discovering a better solution to climate change, can outweight the potential costs the grid causes? ![]() |
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supdood
Senior Cruncher USA Joined: Aug 6, 2015 Post Count: 333 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yoerik--Two points.
----------------------------------------As I alluded to in my post, and as gb009761 reiterated, much of our computing infrastructure's impact (especially when running on clean electricity sources) is from the remainder of the components' life cycles. Secondly, your question "but the potential benefits of discovering a better solution to climate change, can outweight the potential costs the grid causes?" is exactly the misinformation I am trying to refute. The African Rainfall Project and the forthcoming project from Emory have nothing to do with solutions to climate change. Absolutely nothing. Their scientific aim is to better understand the effects of climate change on humans through changing weather patterns or the result of increased heat events on health. |
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yoerik
Senior Cruncher Canada Joined: Mar 24, 2020 Post Count: 413 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
supdood - hard to argue with the first there. However, it is out of our control - there is no ethical production of computers at this time, as far as I'm aware. And it seems that none of the major players - from intel to AMD to others are not interested in becoming more earth-friendly production companies.
----------------------------------------On the second - I'm not referring to either of those projects. I'm referring to a prospective additional project that myself and other members of the grid would love to see - that directly addresses climate change. That doesn't mean there is one, nor that there ever will be - but that's what I hope for when they talk about climate projects being a priority - not projects that MAY address some aspects of the issue, like ARP and the Emory project. ![]() |
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Falconet
Master Cruncher Portugal Joined: Mar 9, 2009 Post Count: 3295 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Speaking of the Emory project, I just noticed this:
----------------------------------------"Impact of climate change on public health (Emory University, USA) This project, which is anticipated to launch in 2021, will examine the impact of climate change on temperature and air pollution at local levels, helping researchers understand the impact of a changing climate on human health." I don't recall reading that when I visited the page yesterday. https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/research/climate.action AMD Ryzen 5 1600AF 6C/12T 3.2 GHz - 85W AMD Ryzen 5 2500U 4C/8T 2.0 GHz - 28W AMD Ryzen 7 7730U 8C/16T 3.0 GHz |
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Yarensc
Advanced Cruncher USA Joined: Sep 24, 2011 Post Count: 136 Status: Offline Project Badges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
will use a research application developed by the researchers at Emory University. If nothing else, its exciting that they're developing a new algorithm that that (presumably) is optimized for distributed computing. One of the reasons* that we see so many medical projects is because there are established frameworks for them, so if this project is successful, it may make it less difficult for more types of researchers to create projects for WCG or other distributed computing networks. *Aside from the fact that they fit nicely into the work unit model, since there's billions of individual combinations of unique tasks which need to be done on each, which is probably one of the issues with finding projects that actually address fixes to climate change directly, most of them aren't something you can easily slice up into a ton of little work units. |
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