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Re: By how much would you need to multiply current WCGrid computing capacity so that a Client cannot download a WU

<Or maybe your original question isn't related to bottlenecks at all. Maybe you were asking how many more factors of the current active members would be needed to complete all projects immediately (without taking into account infrastructure bottlenecks and assuming unlimited capacity)? As in, "Let's throw in 10 million more volunteers at the same time and assume their IT infrastructure doesn't break....does that crunch through all the work in a day?">

Yeah, that sounds what I was thinking about. :-) The only thing I would change in your phrasing is "in a day" -> "in the longest WU runtime" (could maybe be more or less than a day). A perfectly optimized system would send the longest/heaviest WU to the most capable machines. ;-)
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Re: By how much would you need to multiply current WCGrid computing capacity so that a Client cannot download a WU

Does any of the researchers have an idea for answering this question?

In short, we are relatively slowly crunching WCGrid tasks because of two bottlenecks: # researchers and # volunteers. We would like more of both. Answering this question could help us estimate the theoretical penetration rate relative to the maximum the platform could handle before there are (temporarily) no WU available for download. This could be a starting point for current volunteers to challenge each other to invite family, friends, followers, acquaintances, etc., increasing the number of volunteers and this penetration rate (it is way more tangible than assuming the theoretical maximum was all people with a computer and enough money to pay for the electricity).

Any thoughts?
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Re: By how much would you need to multiply current WCGrid computing capacity so that a Client cannot download a WU

I have an estimation:

Assume (September 2021) around 20M wu available.
100k total users that compute 1M wu/day currently. Around 3h/result. -> 125000 wu if simultaneously
With these assumptions our theoretical structural maximum is roughly 100k times 20M/125k =
16M users. Approximate penetrating rate for this limit: .625% (a 100% penetration rate in these terms would equate to 160 times the current number of users).

Any thoughts?

UPDATE: Actually 15M and not 16M if we assume the more accurate number 3.2 hours instead of 3h. That would mean the percentage is closer to 0.67%.
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....and then what would we all do with all our equipment? Look for ET in the sky?? ha

Bet ya all the other projects would like all that extra processing power hitting them.
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It seems to me that we already overload WCG every time they release a new batch of ARP.

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Re: By how much would you need to multiply current WCGrid computing capacity so that a Client cannot download a WU

This is more like a thought-provoking theoretical question, dear BobbyB. In the sense that, were us volunteers to multiply by 150 our capacity (either through more computing power or more members or a mix), we would be on the very edge of needing to put our effort much more on generating useful WU (through current or future projects) - i.e. working as researchers - than on capacity.
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I understand. My calculations had the implicit assumption of the download of only one WU at a time. If we, say, download 24 work units at a time, the theoretical number of members for this hypothetical situation is much lower than 15,000,000 and is closer to 625,000 members. For current 100,000 members, the percentage would be now much higher: 16%!

Note that if each member got, on average, 6.25 other people to join our grid (with similar capacity), the theoretical number 625,000 (100%) would be reached! :-) This assumes unlimited capacity from the servers to upload all tasks at once, of course, which is obviously not the case. This and my estimations are the reason why your point is very clear to me now, dear Mike Gibson. But not sure what to think about it... :-/ I guess we surely need way, way more researchers to use our capacity (and beyond! Because 100,000 in 8B sounds like crazy small and inequity is very ingrained in this ratio of just 0.0000125). Though, to be fair, there are people who are contributing and are not in these numbers as sometimes one account is shared in the same family. Perhaps this ratio doubles to 0.000025 or more (but still, a low number).

I don't know if 20,000,000 is the current number of available WU, though... Could be higher, could be lower.
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This is more like a thought-provoking theoretical question, dear BobbyB.
Yes, of course I knew that. And because I know it will not happen (150x), my response was more tongue in cheek as in "Hey don't take away my fun by making it so there are no WUs available".

My machines ran out of WUs just before I wrote this post so I had to turn on looking for ET in the Milky Way. And I had to turn on Sidock (ugh). There's the second part of my reply actually happening.

Go pick up some cheap used systems with obsolete parts that are hard to find. Start running more WCG WU's until they break the systems and then occupy yourself ......
Not convinced of that. Old geezer systems are not very efficient solutions. I retired my old geezer systems with more modern ones and am looking at replacing the last one remaining.
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This is more like a thought-provoking theoretical question, dear BobbyB.
Yes, of course I knew that. And because I know it will not happen (150x), my response was more tongue in cheek as in "Hey don't take away my fun by making it so there are no WUs available".

That is not my wish here. Unless some kind of hyperAI solves all human questions and challenges - which is not likely anytime soon, my wish is that both more volunteers and more researchers could expand research further. I'm sorry if my "dear" might have sounded ironic. That was not how I intended it. I intended it as something like: volunteer colleague or something similar.

Go pick up some cheap used systems with obsolete parts that are hard to find. Start running more WCG WU's until they break the systems and then occupy yourself ......


Who were you citing here?
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OOPS! citing Bill F
https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg...ead,42607_offset,0#632974

No offence taken on any language.

Since we are talking volunteers, I wonder how many quit WCG (if any) because of all the problems in the last year.
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