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flynryan
Senior Cruncher United States Joined: Aug 15, 2006 Post Count: 235 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Everyone I've talked to about WCG has had a hard time grasping the concept of distributed computing, or maybe I'm just bad at explaining how it works! Even when I post about it on social media about even contributing to the covid project, no one seems that interested. Maybe they don't think it really makes a difference, they think its some kind of scam, or they just don't understand it. Oh well, I'll keep crunching away.
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WMCheerman
Cruncher Joined: Nov 20, 2009 Post Count: 13 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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In the news Japan now has the fastest supercomputer working on Covid19. An article about it appeared on the BBC today - Japanese supercomputer, crowned world's fastest, is fighting coronavirus: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-53147684 Does anyone have an idea how much computing power does WCG have compared to this dedicated supercomputer? I'd be curious to know how a bunch of volunteers like us compare to a dedicated machine run by a national / government level type of organisation. I ask a similar question a few years ago. This was the response I got from a WCG tech Knreed back then: "Secondly, something that should be considered is the amount of computing power that is being usefully applied. The Top 500 list is based on a specific set of tests run to compute the theoretical max power that the computing system can provide when running at 100% capability. In reality super computers don't run at 100% usage nor do they have something running on them 100% of the time so their actual delivered computing power is less than the number reported on the Top 500 list. With BOINC based projects, using the method above (which I will re-iterate is something that should be considered suspect), it is taking the actual delivered computing power that has been applied and using that to measure the computing power of the grid. That means that it is not an apples to apples comparison." Based on WCG points per flop we are doing 1,613 TFlops over the last 14 days. I always felt that with WCG I was getting a more accurate number then F@H, which i still run on my GPUs. [Edit 2 times, last edit by Mpg005@mcdaniel.edu at Jul 2, 2020 4:34:28 AM] |
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duanebong
Advanced Cruncher Singapore Joined: Apr 25, 2009 Post Count: 134 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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@Mpg005 - that's a very good point you've raised. The WCG figures are a measure of delivered output whereas the Top 500.org and F@H figures are reporting theoretical max capacity. It's ironic that wasted idle time reduces their effective output, whereas in WCG it is the opposite - idle time is instead what volunteers are donating to the project.
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Glen David Short
Senior Cruncher Joined: Nov 6, 2008 Post Count: 192 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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It always boggles my mind, and frustrates me, that the number of WCG (and BOINC, etc.) participants is so low. :( There are TONS of computers out there not running any distributed computing software that just sit there idle. We need to be better evangelists for the idea in general to get every company and individual with excess computing power signed on. Everyone I've talked to about WCG has had a hard time grasping the concept of distributed computing, or maybe I'm just bad at explaining how it works! Even when I post about it on social media about even contributing to the covid project, no one seems that interested. I agree. The people at WCG are doing the best they can with limited manpower at their disposal, but marketing the project to prospective new crunchers needs to be somehow improved. WCG lost a lot of longtime crunchers when they changed the progress bar page. And now we have a situation where instead of rising numbers of contributors, the total is slowly falling. On 20 June 2019 WCG had 43,819 active users. (thread about it here ) Today, I just checked at the same website, we have only 41,643 active uses, despite the boost we should have got from the Covid virus publicity. Yet there are billions of devices out there, many of them running downloaded computer game apps. I think we need to add an element of fun to recruit more members. And to motivate contributors to stay with the project, as many download the app, let it run for a while, only to quit a short time later. We need to overcome the suspicion that its is a scam, and to reward crunchers and make them feel appreciated, more than they currently are. My immediate suggestions would be downloadable, printable official WCG award certificates when certain milestones are reached. And a return to progress bars similar to the ones that motivated us in the old days. They were great motivators, those old progress bars! They mainly motivated people to stay until a badge was in reach, but we also need something to get people to join up. Maybe if a few celebrities started endorsing WCG, that might get a few peoples attention. ![]() |
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mgpointner
Advanced Cruncher Argentina Joined: Nov 16, 2009 Post Count: 55 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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...printable official WCG award certificates when certain milestones are reached. Like Folding at home ![]() |
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BladeD
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Nov 17, 2004 Post Count: 28976 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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...printable official WCG award certificates when certain milestones are reached. Like Folding at home Well, you should have at least linked a BOINC project, since there are many with printable awards. ![]() |
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mgpointner
Advanced Cruncher Argentina Joined: Nov 16, 2009 Post Count: 55 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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...printable official WCG award certificates when certain milestones are reached. Like Folding at home Well, you should have at least linked a BOINC project, since there are many with printable awards. ![]() The only BOINC Project I have is WCG..... ![]() |
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Glen David Short
Senior Cruncher Joined: Nov 6, 2008 Post Count: 192 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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The only BOINC Project I have is WCG..... Same here ![]() |
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