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Mantakno
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Well tirst i thought there was a problem with TB Project. NO WU

whatever that is about, i dont no then forum master tell me there is only 600 WU
but probject is long way from done, so i guess htis is the project faulth.
i have nothing agaienst TB , but i bet there is many WCG user that fall in that hole and wonder whats wrong here.

maybe that project need to be move to a sub category as minor WU and spread out work to all, even i have select some project over other's reason is simple you might have own opinon over what more importance then others, but as i see it some user could have setup all WU DL on that project as first choise, and then there is none to all other, if you cant see this is wrong somehow, as i said i dont care if 1 user get them all, but it look like imo that project is faulty , and should be move away from the others , because project is look as buggy then many dont get work from them,

what WCG should do is move TB Project away from the other as subcategory to few WU atm. if you cant feed the masses then you cant be with the other.

this solve 2 problems in why project has no WU and tell every user they have got most research, and why you might not get badge from them anymore,

let me use harder words, so you get it, stop waste other people time then you cant keep up. its clear to all that TB this time but what about next time then project dont have enough WU.

ps.
dont get me wrong here TB is a good project, but what if there is pc that only have 1 project select and dont allow WU from other project.

imo that project is done as Main Project and dont belog there, fake project that cant or dont have enough WU to all user's ( its a sub project, call it a leftover then they do have research )

and they have waste my timews and other in thinking, client or someting is buggy.
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yoerik
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uhhh
well, it's not a "fake project" - it just has different requirements than other projects.

If there are any users that want to exclusively crunch the TB project - that's their choice... we shouldn't make changes to undermine user freedom and choice. We are volunteers - we choose to do this, to help. That includes having the choice to support what projects we want to - that's the sales pitch of BOINC and WCG.
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CaffeinatedSloth
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Re: WCG Project's

uhhh
well, it's not a "fake project" - it just has different requirements than other projects.

If there are any users that want to exclusively crunch the TB project - that's their choice... we shouldn't make changes to undermine user freedom and choice. We are volunteers - we choose to do this, to help. That includes having the choice to support what projects we want to - that's the sales pitch of BOINC and WCG.


+1

Chris
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Mantakno
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its okay im leaving WCG that show all project as equal then they are not. plenty of other research. that real need help. bye all, doing the last DL WU...cya
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yoerik
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uhh okay I'm sorry - but some projects just need more resources than others. The scientists dictate how many WUs they need, not us, or WCG. I don't know what else I can tell you - I'm sorry you feel the need to leave... but it's your choice.
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KerSamson
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Mantakno,
I respect your opinion even if I do not share it.
It is not new that HSTB has only few WUs to compute on a daily basis. I do not see any reason why this situation should be concerning for contributors since there is a couple of other active projects beside.
Based on the usual way how WUs are distributed, it is not a good idea to select only one project, in particular if this project does have only a limited number of (long computing time) WUs available. As rarely a machine reports computed results, as smaller is the chance to fetch one of this rare WUs.
Between MCM, OPN1, FAH2, MIP1, and even ARP1, there is a lot of opportunities to contribute.
I think that HSTB situation should not be a reason for leaving WCG.
Cheers,
Yves
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PS: Don't forget the advice on the MyProjects page:
Please note: Some projects may occasionally have periods where no work is available. If you choose to receive work for only one project, the project may, at times, not have work units available for download. For this reason, we recommend that you select more than one project.

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Mantakno
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there is also another reason other project enable GPU and take all cpu same time.
and GPU is much stronger then CPU alone.

its not that simple then we all have diffrent view point in whats wrong with the project, imo WCG has long been CPU only and i had to join GPUgrid.net to get work to GPU, but that is also ende with few WU left, you might say other client seem to get more teraflop done then WCG, bur either way gl , hey who know if someday i get a pc with a lesser Graphic cards then its can do CPU only. in WCG but thats a diffrent pc.
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Mantakno, may I ask whether you would be interested in assisting with other than Tuberculosis projects? Maybe you got a very personal interest invested in this specific subject, but have you considered running Folding@Home? Seeing that you would like to keep your graphics card and CPU busy, maybe try that one out. It's medical research and you can select to support certain causes, like Covid 19, cancer, Alzheimers etc.
Maybe you would be happier over there. It runs on it's own client though, not on the Boinc platform.
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KodeX
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I think Mantakno hits a valid point regarding availability of TB WUs. In average I receive 0-1 TB WU per week by running 46 threads 24/7 atm.
It might sound hard, but I do not understand why TB is not set on "pause" status like SCC if there is only so little work available. We had project in past with little amount of WUs, but TB is worse (atm).
I like the scope of TB(!) but it is not helping WCG-community if people get upset and get demotivated to contribute, because they do not catch WUs at all. Especially if they are leaving WCG, like Mantako is thinking about.
Maybe there should be an amount of minimum WU per week defined to be an "active" project. Otherwise you get the status "paused".
Adding more transparency regarding availabilty of WUs would be fair and prevent ppl of getting disappointed.

Once again, I support TB a lot (and I will in future, no matter how much work is available). After reading Mantakno's post we should think about how we can prevent people getting disappointed, in case they do not catch WUs of certain projects. WCG is competing with other grids for volunteers. Keeping them motivated is an important point for success of the grid.

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KerSamson
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HSTB and ARP are projects with a daily limited number of WUs.
At SCC1 time, my machines reported computed WUs relatively often since each SCC1 WU took about one hour. At this time, my machines were able to fetch several ARP1 and HSTB WUs every day.
With OPN1 taking longer per WU, the machines fetch less ARP1 and rarely HSTB WUs. As long as the machines have work and that the projects make progress I do not see a problem (excepted that it takes longer for getting the next badge).
Regarding missing GPU support, the cause is not at WCG side but at scientist side.
WCG is only in charge of the platform and to ensure that the science run well without causing any trouble.
Cheers,
Yves
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