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wcgridmember
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Mar 30, 2005 Post Count: 110 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I wonder: what coordination efforts are being made between projects such as WCGrid, Rosetta@home or Folding@home to prevent similar calculations taking place, which could waste precious CPU time?
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Sabrina Tarson
Advanced Cruncher United States Joined: Jun 27, 2012 Post Count: 149 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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AFAIK all of these projects have different goals, so they're not really stepping on each others toes.
----------------------------------------Someone could probably explain it better than I, but Rosetta@Home and Folding@Home are doing similar things but for differing reasons. Rosetta@Home is folding to identify the final folded state of a protein, while Folding@Home wants to understand all the processes and all the states the protein COULD potentially fold into. There is a WCG Project (Microbiome Immunity Project) that uses the same software as Rosetta@Home, but the project is looking at different proteins than Rosetta@Home is AFAIK. |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Check here...maybe we get answer from techs here?
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Dayle Diamond
Senior Cruncher Joined: Jan 31, 2013 Post Count: 447 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I wonder if it's possible to skip all the interim steps and just have Rosetta send us some of their work units directly as a "guest project" with a 24 hour deadline (or as MIP since that uses the same software and I'm presuming, similar system requirements) in exchange for Rosetta running some MIP work on their network once the COVID crisis is over (or once the work units are depleted).
----------------------------------------I get that Rosetta is using their opportunity to ensure that their other projects also get done, but all that really matters is their total throughput. Any WCG CPU cycles we put on hold will be more than recovered once enough new donors stick around. Current Rosetta@Home tasks completed per day: 656,072 Current Microbiome Immunity Project tasks completed per day: 722,622 We could double their network. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Dayle Diamond at Mar 27, 2020 6:24:06 AM] |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I wonder if it's possible to skip all the interim steps and just have Rosetta send us some of their work units directly as a "guest project" with a 24 hour deadline (or as MIP since that uses the same software and I'm presuming, similar system requirements) in exchange for Rosetta running some MIP work on their network once the COVID crisis is over (or once the work units are depleted). I get that Rosetta is using their opportunity to ensure that their other projects also get done, but all that really matters is their total throughput. Any WCG CPU cycles we put on hold will be more than recovered once enough new donors stick around. Current Rosetta@Home tasks completed per day: 656,072 Current Microbiome Immunity Project tasks completed per day: 722,622 We could double their network. +1 Only you need to know that Rosetta is crunching on 8-12h on either X3360 or X5670...so 24h is too small window... Suggesting 48h window for COVID-19 jobs from rosetta@home.  |
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Former Member
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If you want to do Rosetta work, then go to Rosetta and do Rosetta work. Let's not combine projects and mess everything up for everyone. Additionally, projects came to WCG expecting resources and WCG graciously offered them. Taking resources away could impact their project. They don't have funding and grad students forever. If MIP wants to work on COVID proteins, fine. Although I'm sure that is not what their funding was based on.. |
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Former Member
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A++ for Doneske.
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yoerik
Senior Cruncher Canada Joined: Mar 24, 2020 Post Count: 413 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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-1 If you want to do Rosetta work, then go to Rosetta and do Rosetta work. Let's not combine projects and mess everything up for everyone. Additionally, projects came to WCG expecting resources and WCG graciously offered them. Taking resources away could impact their project. They don't have funding and grad students forever. If MIP wants to work on COVID proteins, fine. Although I'm sure that is not what their funding was based on.. Agreed. Shutting down all research into other subjects and diseases whenever there's a crisis is not the way to do things. Yes, COVID-19 is worrying, scary and deadly... But other diseases need cures too - and dropping all other research only to find COVID-19 can't be cured seems like a far more likely outcome. The Rosetta team has stated as much in their forums - there's no guarantee they will find a cure, and merely accelerating processing WUs doesn't increase the chances of finding it. Labs all over the world are researching this pandemic already - and dropping all other research to assist a handful of those projects coming at the cost of other projects targeting serious disease... isn't right to me. I am running and prioritizing Rosetta COVID WUs via BOINC, but I still run other projects via Android and while waiting for more Rosetta WUs.  [Edit 1 times, last edit by yoerik at Mar 27, 2020 3:10:15 PM] |
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Dayle Diamond
Senior Cruncher Joined: Jan 31, 2013 Post Count: 447 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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To everybody who's saying it's not possible, another project is now posting on Rosetta's forums asking to do precisely what I suggested.
https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/forum_thread.php?id=13624#92232 The faster we bring the COVID-19 work units to a close, faster we know IF this process can find a cure. If it can, and it's an existing pharmaceutical, maybe it can be applied before everybody dies from it. There are absolutely projects that are more and less important on WCG. You can rank them by deaths per year, and COVID is high on the list for projected 2020 deaths. Donseke- telling me that I can personally send some compute power over to Rosetta and anything else is 'messing things up for everybody' is neither meaningful nor civil. The Microbiome team is living on the same world as the rest of us. Some people are sacrificing everything by treating others without access to fresh protective gear. Doing computer work in a different order is not too much to ask. |
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Jim1348
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 13, 2009 Post Count: 1066 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Donseke- telling me that I can personally send some compute power over to Rosetta and anything else is 'messing things up for everybody' is neither meaningful nor civil. The Microbiome team is living on the same world as the rest of us. Some people are sacrificing everything by treating others without access to fresh protective gear. Some people are losing it. |
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