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as1981
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Dec 3, 2006 Post Count: 51 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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All,
I have my preferences set to use 25% of the CPU (so 1 core). The reason for this is that anything above this results in the fans starting which are very noisy. With most units the fans start occasionally (possibly due to something else running on the PC for a few seconds) which is no problem. However with some units they start and stop every few seconds (and I have to abort them due to this) but Task Manager (Windows 7 64 bit) only shows 25% use. Does anyone know what might be causing the difference and whether there are any settings I can change to avoid the issue? Thanks |
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Former Member
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Different science apps will use different combinations of instructions. Some instructions will generate more heat than others, so some science apps will run a little hotter than others. There's nothing you can do about it with system settings unless you want to try setting CPU usage even below 25% (so it uses the CPU in short bursts of a few seconds, IIRC). You might be able to do something to improve airflow which might help enough to keep the fans quiet, e.g. make sure there's a few inches of open air around the box. Otherwise maybe you should consider replacing the fan(s)?
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Former Member
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You could try TThtottle. This controls BOINC based on your desired CPU temperature and throttles it as much as needed to stay below.
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as1981
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All,
Thank you for your help. Thanks |
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Dayle Diamond
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Is your fan loose and vibrating? Ultra low quality?
It shouldn't be loud enough to annoy you. If you can replace or repair your cooling you should be able to contribute with 100% on all cores. All computation creates heat. The newer the processor, the more it can do with the same heat output. If you tell a computer to run at full speed 25% of the time, it will create a quarter of the heat, but other than passive cooling, you're gonna need fans. |
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as1981
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Hello,
Thanks for your reply. It's a Dell pre-built machine with original fans. It seems to be configured to run the fans at maximum as soon as the processor run at around 25% (presumably a specific heat point, I haven't looked that far yet). I work within the IT industry more software than hardware but I know the basics of the different components (mainboard, CPU, cache, RAM e.t.c,). There are no relevant bios options. I discussed it with Dell when I first bought it (several years ago) but due to translation issue with their support all they could tell me was 'more processor - more heat - more fans' which I knew. They couldn't grasp 'I know that but I am not convinced it's working correctly'. TThtottle doesn't identify the processor temp. HWinfo crashes the machine (an incompatibility rather than a hardware fault I think). I might investigate that further. There might be quieter fans but I haven't looked into it and it's quite an old machine now anyway (Inspiron 570). Thanks |
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Macromancer
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Hello, Thanks for your reply. It's a Dell pre-built machine with original fans. It seems to be configured to run the fans at maximum as soon as the processor run at around 25% (presumably a specific heat point, I haven't looked that far yet). TThtottle doesn't identify the processor temp. HWinfo crashes the machine (an incompatibility rather than a hardware fault I think). I might investigate that further. There might be quieter fans but I haven't looked into it and it's quite an old machine now anyway (Inspiron 570). Thanks Have you tried running CPUID HWMonitor? I've successfully run it on OEM Dell machines, FWIW. The issue you're running into is that the Dell installed cooling solution is likely not able to keep your CPU cool at anything close to a full load (i.e. all cores at 100%). A DELL Inspiron deskstop isn't really built to run at high duty cycles 24/7 . . . you'd need to go with a DELL Precision or HP Z8XX type OEM desktop for high duty cycle use. It sounds like at a 25% duty cycle, the DELL installed fan curve is pretty aggressive and goes to 100%. Until you see the CPU temps, you have no way of knowing if fans at 100% is necessary when CPU load is 25%; hopefully HWMonitor will work so you can at least see temps. Another issue with a DELL motherboard is that it's very unlikely you'll be able to change the fan curve, i.e. is sounds like you've hit a dead end here, too. Assuming the DELL OEM motherboard has a standard fan connector for the CPU heatsink/fan, you could try replacing the OEM CPU cooler with a Noctua or similar CPU cooler (you'll also need thermal paste like Arctic Silver or similar). |
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Your giving details of the machine involved made me go look. I found references on the Dell fora about the BIOS checking for a thermistor on the heat-sink and very basic fan control. One guy did a complete upgrade of the box and had a lot of fun replacing things. The full details are at www.dell.com/community/Desktops-General-Read-...ide-including/m-p/4087463 but my reaction was very straighforward: ditch the box!
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AgrFan
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I experienced the same fan speed problems with a HP Pavillion running a Athlon II x4 630 processor. CPU fan would spin full speed at 100% usage. These machines aren't designed for crunching. Sold it locally. Surprising my electric bill went down a bit.
----------------------------------------I do have a Inspiron 660 with a Intel i5-3330 running Ubuntu that is whisper quiet at full speed. It cuts through ZIKA, SCC and MIPS work like a hot knife through butter. You could probably get one of these cheap on the used market. My guess is your Inspiron 570 has a AMD Athlon II x4 CPU in it also. If so, it's time to retire it. Newer technology does more work with lower power usage. I recently sold off two AMD Athlon II x4 machines. I'm getting ready to retire a couple Intel Pentium/Core 2 Duo machines when support for Win 7 ends in January. My plan is to add a AMD Ryzen 3 machine later this year.
[Edit 4 times, last edit by AgrFan at Jun 30, 2019 9:44:03 PM] |
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as1981
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Dec 3, 2006 Post Count: 51 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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All,
Thanks for your advice. Thanks |
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