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Speedy51
Veteran Cruncher New Zealand Joined: Nov 4, 2005 Post Count: 1326 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Thanks Sgt Joe. It will be interesting to see what happens with prices when the Ryzen 3 series comes out. I am currently leaning towards the I 9. It's only about $300 more than the Ryzen 7 2700. I would be interested to see if anybody has got any tasks times from an I 9 9900 K. I also believe there is a waiting period for the I 9 CPUs and they are in short supply/high demand. I believe this is a move by Intel
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Former Member
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Is there any truth in terms of performance that a Ryzen 9 is the equivalent of an Intel I 5? It's way more than that, in a (no doubt favourable to Ryzen) demo it was trading blows with an 18 core i9-9980XE and pretty much thumped it in geekbench tests so for the money it's the bargain of the century, best part is you only need to go to the expense of an X570 motherboard if you want PCI-E 4 and thats mainly aimed at gamers, the X370 that I use 'should' handle the 3950X just fine. When it appears i'll be all over it, it's multithreaded performance is biblical. You can read the article about geekbench performance here https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/307...core-i9-9980xe-benchmarks it's only leaked info and quite possibly sketchy but it all points to Ryzen 9 being a complete beast especially for the money. |
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Speedy51
Veteran Cruncher New Zealand Joined: Nov 4, 2005 Post Count: 1326 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I understand what you're saying Paul. The 18 core AMD CPU is not due out until September (in New Zealand) and I am not wanting to spend that much money. It would be dearer than my current system built at the end of 2014 I will stand what AMD is said series 3 being released in early July has to offer 12 core 24 thread. Otherwise I think I will be sticking with Intel. As I said earlier in this thread the Ryzen 7 is equivalent to an Intel I 5 in terms of performance
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Speedy51
Veteran Cruncher New Zealand Joined: Nov 4, 2005 Post Count: 1326 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Would I get any noticeable gain (One or 2 more processing days so instead of it being avg 7.17 it would be 9.17) from upgrading to an I 9 9900K? I am currently using an I 7 5960 X at 3 GHz boost 3.48 GHz both these CPUs have 8 cores/8 threads giving you a total of 16 the major differences instead of running at boost 3.49 it would be running at 5 GHz.
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Former Member
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1. the computing time you achieve per day has nothing to do with clock rate. It is simply (1 day) x (number of threads) and maybe a bit less if other processes run
2. Your i7-5960X should be 8 core / 16 threads and therefore getting a bit less than 16 days computing time per day if you run 24/7. If not, something is wrong 3. As the i9-9900k is 8 cores / 16 threads as is the i7-5960X you will not gain anything in computing time per day 4. What you will however gain is more points per runtime and therefore more points per day. The reason is the higher clock rate and possibly a higher IPC (instructions per cycle). This will also benefit the science, as more workunits are processed per day 5. Be catious with advertised maximum turbo frequencies, as you mentioned 5 GHz for the i9-9900k. This is the maximum frequency with load on 1 core. With all cores active, frequencies will likely be much lower. I don't know what can be achieved with overclocking, but more than a very mild overclock is not advisable for 24/7 crunching anyway, as electricity usage increases exponentially for only a low performance gain. 6. What you will also gain with the 9900k is a better energy efficiency. This processor should use less electricity while getting slightly more work done 7. If I were you and WCG output was my only concern, I would buy a Ryzen 2700 or even better wait a bit for the 3rd gen Ryzen. You will have nearly the same performance for a much lower price and higher energy efficiency. (If gaming performance is the primary aim, things might be different under certain circumstances) |
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Speedy51
Veteran Cruncher New Zealand Joined: Nov 4, 2005 Post Count: 1326 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Thanks for your input. I will wait and see what the Ryzen 3 series is like. As I mentioned earlier in this thread I believe the Ryzen 7 2700 is equivalent to a Intel I 5. I also have heard some Ryzen's have an issue that requires them to be rebuilt which unfortunately I cannot do myself..
----------------------------------------4. What you will however gain is more points per runtime and therefore more points per day. The reason is the higher clock rate and possibly a higher IPC (instructions per cycle). This will also benefit the science, as more workunits are processed per day Unless the tasks are significantly faster and running over half an hour quicker if more work units are processed per day that also means that more run-time is added. May I ask what your setup is and how much you contribute per day? If you are running Linux can you please let me know ![]() |
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7846 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Unless the tasks are significantly faster and running over half an hour quicker if more work units are processed per day that also means that more run-time is added. No, this is not correct. No matter how fast you process the work units it will have no bearing on the amount of run time. If you do 1 unit in 24 hours or 100 units in 24 hours, you still only get 24 hours of run time. Faster processing of units will result in an increase in points. Run time is an indication of how much time your computer spent running times the number of threads it was running. Cheers
Sgt. Joe
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Speedy51
Veteran Cruncher New Zealand Joined: Nov 4, 2005 Post Count: 1326 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Unless the tasks are significantly faster and running over half an hour quicker if more work units are processed per day that also means that more run-time is added. No, this is not correct. No matter how fast you process the work units it will have no bearing on the amount of run time. If you do 1 unit in 24 hours or 100 units in 24 hours, you still only get 24 hours of run time. Faster processing of units will result in an increase in points. Run time is an indication of how much time your computer spent running times the number of threads it was running. Cheers Sgt Joe. You are right but you are also wrong you are right on the fact that in 24 hours you only get 24 hours of run-time. In my mind this is where you are wrong. When you times the number of cause by the number of hours so in my case it is 12×15 1 left free for GPU work you get 180 hours which is equal to 7.5 days per calendar day.Over the last 7 days I returned 55 calendar days of work on average I have returned 188.4 hours per calendar day which works out to be 7.85 days per calendar day. Totalling 636 average per day of 90.86 work units. I am reasonably sure that these were all Zika units. Maybe I am better to go with AMD Ryzen 9 3900 X Due in July or wait until September until something higher comes out ![]() |
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7846 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Unless the tasks are significantly faster and running over half an hour quicker if more work units are processed per day that also means that more run-time is added. No, this is not correct. No matter how fast you process the work units it will have no bearing on the amount of run time. If you do 1 unit in 24 hours or 100 units in 24 hours, you still only get 24 hours of run time. Faster processing of units will result in an increase in points. Run time is an indication of how much time your computer spent running times the number of threads it was running. Cheers Sgt Joe. You are right but you are also wrong you are right on the fact that in 24 hours you only get 24 hours of run-time. In my mind this is where you are wrong. When you times the number of cause by the number of hours so in my case it is 12×15 1 left free for GPU work you get 180 hours which is equal to 7.5 days per calendar day.Over the last 7 days I returned 55 calendar days of work on average I have returned 188.4 hours per calendar day which works out to be 7.85 days per calendar day. Totalling 636 average per day of 90.86 work units. I am reasonably sure that these were all Zika units. Maybe I am better to go with AMD Ryzen 9 3900 X Due in July or wait until September until something higher comes out Your math is confusing me because you have not attached any labels to your numbers. I presume you run 12 hours per day with 15 threads (plus 1 for GPU work). This does equal 180 hours per day of computer time. However, not all of the work units you process in a day will be valid. Some of them will be pending validation, some will be pending verification etc. So not all of the units will be counted in your numbers on the day they were completed. Your daily numbers will be a bit lumpy. Yes it is possible to average more than 180 hours per day over a short interval such as 7 days, but it is not possible to average over 180 hours per day over a longer period of time, such as 30 days. The days the pending validation and verification units are validated are the days on which they will be credited. Also, even though you may be running very close to 100% efficiency, your computer will have some units which will have a difference between the cpu time and the elapsed time. The cpu time can not exceed the elapsed time. I hope this helps a little bit. Cheers
Sgt. Joe
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mmonnin
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Jul 20, 2016 Post Count: 148 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Unless the tasks are significantly faster and running over half an hour quicker if more work units are processed per day that also means that more run-time is added. No, this is not correct. No matter how fast you process the work units it will have no bearing on the amount of run time. If you do 1 unit in 24 hours or 100 units in 24 hours, you still only get 24 hours of run time. Faster processing of units will result in an increase in points. Run time is an indication of how much time your computer spent running times the number of threads it was running. Cheers Sgt Joe. You are right but you are also wrong you are right on the fact that in 24 hours you only get 24 hours of run-time. In my mind this is where you are wrong. When you times the number of cause by the number of hours so in my case it is 12×15 1 left free for GPU work you get 180 hours which is equal to 7.5 days per calendar day.Over the last 7 days I returned 55 calendar days of work on average I have returned 188.4 hours per calendar day which works out to be 7.85 days per calendar day. Totalling 636 average per day of 90.86 work units. I am reasonably sure that these were all Zika units. Maybe I am better to go with AMD Ryzen 9 3900 X Due in July or wait until September until something higher comes out The days count for badges is purely hours. Nothing else. Hours of any CPU. 1 hour of a Pentium 4 2GHz is the same as an i9 at 5 GHz per CPU thread. This is why people are suggesting phones and higher core AMD CPUs. They will differ in credit, but an hour is an hour. I get 4 days towards my ZIKA badge per phone because it has 4x ARM cores. Some days its 3, some days its 5 depending on when tasks get returned but on average its ~4. You're here asking for advice. Pls listen to it. Sgt.Joe and others are correct about the hours. ![]() |
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