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hchc
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Aug 15, 2006 Post Count: 746 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
It is my opinion -- which is shared by some others on this forum -- that scientists in various WCG projects are mostly silent and we the community of WCG volunteers are lucky to get one status update per year. This leads to many questions on project status, details on progress, updates on what is coming next, etc.
----------------------------------------I propose WCG make a contractual requirement to the scientific researchers to provide at least two decent updates per calendar year to the WCG community so that we are kept in the light. I realize that scientists and researchers are busy -- as we all are -- but we are donating literally hundreds of thousands of $$$ if not millions of $$$ of processing power to their scientific and environmental research endeavors. The least that can be done is more transparency. I also realize WCG is an international community of both volunteers and scientists, so there are language barriers. I believe that even if project updates are provided in languages other than English that volunteer(s) will step up to translate. I was a long-time contributor to United Devices and fondly remember the Grid.org forums and the Human Proteome Folding Project (Phases 1 and 2). I remember one scientist at NYU was very active on the forums and gave lots of updates and lots of lengthy posts for those of us who were interested in reading the nerdy details. This kind of active engagement spoiled me, but I felt like my contribution was valued and appreciated. It is hit or miss here at WCG, at least as of 2018. Sure, we may get one update per year, but some projects go much longer between updates. I propose making it a contractual requirement for at least two detailed updates per calendar year per active project. We would be most grateful.
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KerSamson
Master Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jan 29, 2007 Post Count: 1670 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
I do agree with this proposal.
----------------------------------------It is fair and reasonable. Cheers, Yves |
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caitilarkin
Former World Community Grid Admin USA Joined: Nov 4, 2015 Post Count: 331 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Hello hchc,
Thanks for your proposal. I'd like to give you as detailed a response as possible, since you've raised important points. Status of 2018 Updates for Active Projects This doesn't include any mini-updates in the forum and on social media, or any updates for completed projects. FAAH - updates in February and May HSTB - updates in March and September MCM - update in August, another coming once the project starts running sarcoma workunits (timeline uncertain, but hopefully early 2019) MIP - updates in March and June, with another being prepared for posting this month OET - update in October, project ending on WCG OZ - one update in August and another being prepared, should be posted in December or early January SCC - update in June, another scheduled for publishing on Wednesday Contractural Requirements for Project Updates Our researcher agreement--which was updated this year--does require researchers to provide regular project updates, without specifying a number. Usually, the research teams do provide roughly two per year. When a project produces fewer than two updates, one or more (well, usually more) of the following has occurred: The researchers lose funding and spend extra time applying for new grants (in addition to the time they already spend on grantwriting and reporting). The research team loses one or more members, which means they must spend much of their time trying to hire replacements. The research team moves to a new location. The team changes leadership. Someone on the team goes on maternity/paternity leave, which is now mandated in most countries. (Note that most of the researchers come back early and stay in touch with us throughout this time, but they're not in their offices/labs.) Any one of these changes can take 6-18 months for a research team to process. And as science and science education continue to lose funding globally, these types of major changes to all research organizations are becoming more and more common. We mention when a research team member is leaving, but we should probably also emphasize in our forum posts for volunteers to expect a possibility lessening of formal updates when this happens for a particular project. It's also important to note that updates generally take a minimum of six weeks to prepare, and the timeframe is usually longer than that. WCG's role in the updates is to complete support tasks such as adding background on the projects for newer volunteers, proofreading, adding any needed explanations that make the updates easier for the public to understand, and other layperson-type tasks. Whenever there is any important news, this process is escalated so that we can let volunteers know ASAP. In terms of researchers posting frequent updates on their own websites with details about the experiments, that's generally possible only when their WCG project is their only project, or one of a couple. Most labs these days are running more, and need to split their time amongst them. So here's what we're gonna do... 1. During our next monthly call with each research team, I'll let them know that volunteers have requested that they provide two formal updates per year. Many of them already do this--and we already ask them to write updates at least twice a year--but I will make a point of reminding them throughout the year. 2. When we post an update that includes a team-changing event such as a researcher leaving, someone going on leave, etc., we'll include a reminder in the forum post about the update that this may mean that the next update could be awhile. 3. We'll revive the monthly mini-updates. Viktors had been posting these on occasion, but other members of the team may chime in on them as well. 4. You bring up a very important point about volunteers feeling appreciated and thanked. We try to do that on social media, via email, and in the project updates, but we will look at additional ways to let volunteers know that they are individually appreciated. Thanks, Caiti |
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vlado101
Senior Cruncher Joined: Jul 23, 2013 Post Count: 226 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Hi caitilarkin,
----------------------------------------Thank you for responding back with an action plan. If possible please let us know what the scientists say in response to your proposed questions. |
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hchc
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Aug 15, 2006 Post Count: 746 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Caiti,
----------------------------------------THANK YOU for the information! It's appreciated you'll pass that on. * And yeah, I try to follow WCG on social media (like Twitter) but forget to sometimes. I also try to find researcher projects' official pages, but it takes some time to hunt down. * Totally understand formal updates can take tons of hours to prepare, edit, translate, proofread, make easy for laymen, etc. * Mini-updates are super cool -- even a couple sentences in the forum -- lets us know tiny bits of news. Even if the post only takes 1 minute. It's better than total silence for 6-12 months. I don't want the pressure of writing a huge formal update to detract from mini-updates that take a few minutes to write. * Of course, formal updates are appreciated, too. Two per calendar year would be ideal. To be honest, they don't have to be massive essays like they're submitting a paper for peer review, but many of us appreciate the long formal updates and read every word. Once again, thank you.
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Seoulpowergrid
Veteran Cruncher Joined: Apr 12, 2013 Post Count: 815 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Sounds great. Thank you so much for taking so much time to provide the information and let us know what is going on!
----------------------------------------I think the mini-updates are great; those 2 or 3 sentences that state what is going on gives a general direction of where the project is going are wonderful! No formal prep, photos, or proofreading needed :) This would also remove the mystery of knowing if more WUs will come...or not...or maybe later. Like in the cases of OET and HSTB, people have been wondering if OET will get more WUs, especially as the odd ECD system kept getting pushed back away from the 100% destination. With HSTB there seems to be a work stopped or slowdown, so a quick sentence or two would clear any mystery. Also Phase 2 of Aids shows their last batch on https://fightaidsathome2.cst.temple.edu/status.html is at 95% so a quick reply in the forums would be great so we know if work will stop temporarily or if new WUs are getting prepped, especially as the ECD system again hasn't budged in awhile. Scientists don't need to reply to us in the forums, but I do like it as I think of it as that they are connecting to us on our level, aka not in Ph.D. level jargon but in informal sentences in a website's forum. That is appealing and, as I shoudn't speak for others, it connects with me on a more personal level. |
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BladeD
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Nov 17, 2004 Post Count: 28976 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
@caitilarkin,
----------------------------------------Thanks for that timely and truly informational reply! |
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gb009761
Master Cruncher Scotland Joined: Apr 6, 2005 Post Count: 2977 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Thanks hchc for starting this thread and Caiti for your detailed response (as well as everyone else chipping in).
----------------------------------------I too, would be very much appreciative of these updates - as it, in itself, shows that we're being 'kept in the loop' and not simply being used as a 'resource'. |
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KerSamson
Master Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jan 29, 2007 Post Count: 1670 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Thank you caitilarkin!
----------------------------------------Much appreciated. Yves |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Thank you caitilarkin! Much appreciated. +1 |
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