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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
A user != a person and there is no personal info. This is not the side of caution. This is the extreme and nowhere close to the intent of the law. The GDPR says at article 4(1): ‘personal data’ means any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (‘data subject’); an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identifier such as a name, an identification number, location data, an online identifier or to one or more factors specific to the physical, physiological, genetic, mental, economic, cultural or social identity of that natural person; [my italics] The very first paragraph of the introduction (where it sets out what they are trying to achieve with the legislation) says: The protection of natural persons in relation to the processing of personal data is a fundamental right. Article 8(1) of the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union (the ‘Charter’) and Article 16(1) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU) provide that everyone has the right to the protection of personal data concerning him or her. I think that covers it ... |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Points should be attached to a sign on name and not a computer. All other projects allow computers to be merged or deleted. While I think it is reasonable to allow a user with several machines to be able to see what each of them is doing independently of the others if they so choose, I certainly agree that it would be good to be allowed to merge computers or, at the least, "hide" a computer so that its data is merged into a general user bucket. I say this because details of a machine may be usable to help to identify someone unambiguously by virtue of the name given to the machine or even its OS level (although this, perhaps, is more true of Linux machines). But I'm not going to hold my breath while I wait for it. |
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PecosRiverM
Veteran Cruncher The Great State of Texas Joined: Apr 27, 2007 Post Count: 1054 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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What really gets my goat is somebody in a far away country passed a law that affects my fun.
----------------------------------------And I didn't even get to vote for/against them. I'm not worried about any information out there. I'm not on Facebook I just 2 weeks ago got a cell phone (only use it for computing, No text or calls) anything you find out about me is already public information. ![]() ![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
What really gets my goat is somebody in a far away country passed a law that affects my fun. It isn't even a country, PecosRiverM. ..... ![]() It's an organization called the European Union - ballooned from being a relatively sensible European Common Market. It did not happen with my good will. I apologize |
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PecosRiverM
Veteran Cruncher The Great State of Texas Joined: Apr 27, 2007 Post Count: 1054 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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It isn't even a country, PecosRiverM I know I was generalizing. I understand some of your frustration and I don't even live there. ![]() ![]() |
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knreed
Former World Community Grid Tech Joined: Nov 8, 2004 Post Count: 4504 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I think this has been said before, but the only thing that is preventing the stats from being distributed is the fact that we have not yet made the "Data Processing Agreement" DPA available. Feel free to criticize us for not having that ready at the time we had to block anonymous access to the various stats feeds.
Once we have resolved that issue - which we are trying to do as fast as possible (but it is going much slower than we want ) - anyone who wants access to the stats will be able agree to the DPA and then they will get credentials that let them retrieve the stats as they did previously. Now - assuming that the above issues are resolved and all of the external sites are able to resume retrieving the stats, I'd like to understand what additional concerns people have. I believe that there is some question about the fact that new users are by default hidden and that existing users can now hide their data. Since user's who are interested in being competitive will be able to make their stats public and those that aren't can keep theirs private, then competition should still be alive and well. Aggregate level information such as total team contribution and total WCG contribution should still be available. Is there additional information that is not at the specific user level (i.e. aggregate level data) that people would need to be able to provide to make competition fun? What could we do (other than making everyone public) so that once people have access to the stats again, the enjoyment that people got from the various use of the stats remains as enjoyable as it was before? |
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7844 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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What could we do (other than making everyone public) so that once people have access to the stats again, the enjoyment that people got from the various use of the stats remains as enjoyable as it was before? This may have been mentioned before, but the ability to access my own work units completed using my user name and verification code, as was available before May 25. Thank you. Cheers
Sgt. Joe
*Minnesota Crunchers* |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
What really gets my goat is somebody in a far away country passed a law that affects my fun. It isn't even a country, PecosRiverM. ..... ![]() It's an organization called the European Union - ballooned from being a relatively sensible European Common Market. It did not happen with my good will. I apologize I think what we have here, is an example of the law of unintended consequences - or not, depending on how pessimistic you are about politicians. We're really only in this situation because both WCG and IBM are multinational. If an EU citizen walks into a locally owned coffee shop in say, Idaho, and is forced to create an account on the shop's website to get on their WiFi, that transaction will be governed by the laws of the state and US government. The EU might like to claim their law is applicable, but they have no jurisdiction in Idaho or United States and no ability to fine the local coffee shop as it only operates in Idaho and has no presence in the EU. I doubt the EU would target WCG for a violation. Going after a charitable scientific organization for anything more than a slap on the wrist would be terrible PR for any politician. But, going after IBM would have that company looking at fines, probably in the range of $750 million given their recent financial disclosures. At some point, likely in the very near future, the EU will be forced to revisit this law. But WCG probably shouldn't be the standard bearer for that fight. |
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KerSamson
Master Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jan 29, 2007 Post Count: 1684 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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@Citizen422
----------------------------------------Please you should stop to fantasise about the 10 or 20 Million EUR (or, to quote you, $750 million) penalty. Many things are mixed together which are not really related. WCG does not sell any member private data to third party. WCG does not share member privacy related data (e.g. social security number, geographical address, birthday, e-mail, etc.) with third party. In case of doubt, WCG should take advantage of pseudonymisation instead of breaking everything. And Yes! I am a strong supporter of GDPR (even if it could surely be improved) since our private data are important. Deciding to join WCG, I did accept that my contribution figures could be displayed and shared with third party. WCG already protects privacy avoiding to publish e-mail addresses and some project contribution details. Yves --- PS You should not forget that it was 25 months available for anticipating a new and reliable compliance model. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by KerSamson at Jun 8, 2018 10:49:12 PM] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
The $750 million figure is based on IBM's reported revenue and the maximum fine allowed by the GDPR. No fantasy involved, especially as fantasy is supposed to be a positive thing and this definitely is not.
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