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Former Member
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thanks for your responses, viktors and dr bonneau.
my original reason for posting, though lost somewhere amongst my own muddle, was the seemingly lack of correlation between the posted status chart and the statistics in my earlier post. as points don't have a lot of meaning, and results vary so much, i'm looking primarily at cpu/run time. (in running both projects, despite the differences in name, i find these to mean the same thing) grid.org cpu time....25k+ years wcg run time.........17k+ years grid.org has worked on rosetta nearly 50% more then wcg...though likely inefficiently. (because of this statistic, i would disagree with you on the less devoted thing...the company may be smaller, though the size of the grid behind it, or at least up until recent troubles, speaks for itself with the numbers). however, the charts seem to say otherwise. while i accept that you've worked more closely with wcg and may not know why this is true(although if you do know, it would answer a question that's been asked since the charts started being posted), i wonder if there's a standard you set for both for scientific purposes? while i do respect and admire your openness and willingness to answer questions, i can't help but think there may have been a disservice done by not following grid.org, as i would guess had both wcg and grid.org been doing the same thing with the hpf project, it would have been completed months ago. apologies for the bluntness of the statement, but like vaio, i'm a tad startled by the lack of interest in what, at least to me, appears like it could have been a larger backbone to the project.  |
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Former Member
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Hi mousie,
apologies for the bluntness of the statement, but like vaio, i'm a tad startled by the lack of interest in what, at least to me, appears like it could have been a larger backbone to the project. I had better make my own apologies in advance. I have just finished writing a letter to a debt collection agency I received a notice from today. I am steamed. I did include a list of companies from the Internet matching the name of the company claiming the debt, but otherwise I was restrained and terse. Somebody thinks that I am a patsy willing to pay $128 for nothing, but my temperament means that I am willing to spend 10 times that in my time to quash them. But I am not in a mood for reasonable discussion today.  Tomorrow I will be back to normal. [Well, even my normal temper is . . uncertain.  ]Anyway, these public distributed computing projects for public good are always underfunded, undermanned and overworked. When they run into a problem, it is not because they don't care. If they didn't care, they would be working in back offices near Manhattan, drawing better benefits. So the only question is what specific problem is forcing them into tortuous work-arounds. From what Robby Brewer and Viktors have posted, it sounds like hard disk space. Well, both organizations are planning upgrades, so: Problem identified - solution in progress. grid.org is being run on old equipment by a company that is donating much more time and effort than they are reimbursed for to benefit humanity at large. Nobody is really served by criticizing them for not donating more - faster - better. The people working on this are all doing their best and are going to upgrade whatever needs to be upgraded. Of course, I am reminded how my younger sister surprised me by criticizing a girl that I was trying to date for being 'extremely tactless' while I thought of her as being 'charmingly forthright'. Different people use different standards to determine what to say and what to remain silent about. I tend towards being tactless (forthright). mycroft |
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Former Member
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sorry to hear of your troubles mycrofth.
i'm not quite sure how the hard disk space troubles work into my above posted question. i'm sure both sides are doing their best. my concern now boils down to the project overall...the differences on both sides statistically seem to imply something must be different in the methods used by both. this difference has yet to be figured out, though may have implications on the final data. not saying one is better then the other because of the differences, or that one's doing more work then another, or any other negative critisism of grid.org or wcg you may have inferred from my post. my initial reason for questioning was to figure out why there was such a lack of correlation between project-provided statistics and dr bonneau's status chart. as things continued, it brought about pondering of what sort of standards are set so that it's known that what grid.org turns in to isb and what wcg turns in to isb are similar. i posed the question to dr bonneau, as i figured he, representing isb which i initially assumed worked equally with partners(?), would have an idea of the methods used by both and where they may differ. i am sure he takes care in his work and that some of my concerns are minor, though my curiosity has gotten the best of me and caused me to ask. with the tactless/silent thing...lol. i've sat around mostly silent about it for months(or at least in terms of actually putting the question here as opposed to throwing it around at grid where only fellow crunchers seem to answer questions), though finally decided, despite the project being near end, to toss out what's on my mind in hopes for a better explanation. was a tad surprised by the response i got, though, as i figured grid --> hpf = isb....seemed a logical enough chain to me. i still sit confused, but that's nothing new  |
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Johnny Cool
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Hi, thanks for the interest. As to the difference between UD and IBM grids i would not want to comment right now, as I work more closely with IBM, and know less about the UD side of the grid. one additional explanation is that UD runs multiple projects and is a small company compared to IBM, thus they have devoted less of grid.org to the HPF project and more to other projects (i don't know what those projects are). sorry I couldn't be more informative... With all due respect, I hope you are not playing DC favorites. ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by Johnny Cool at Oct 13, 2005 4:46:59 PM] |
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