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Thread: Boincstats, Free-DC and statseb.fr showing much less points than WCG website |
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Steve W
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Dec 9, 2005 Post Count: 110 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Note: these are just my personal thoughts on this whole situation.
Personally I can understand why WCG has gone into full on paranoia regarding the export of data when you look at the possible penalties that could be applied. With GDPR the possible max penalty is 20 million euro or 4% of global turnover, whichever is greater. As WCG is run by IBM, a company that reported almost $80B in turnover for 2017, a 4% penalty is a LOT of money. I hope WCG doesn't have the type of information stored that could ever get the max fine, but even if they only got a 0.5% fine that is still a lot of money. For sites like boincstats, are they fully compliant with GDPR. Have they stated what data they have, how long it is kept for, what they do with it....etc. I know they store whatever is exported which includes usernames and locations (if the user entered it when registering). I know usernames aren't always the real persons name but they can be used to track an individual persons activities. In regards to those who think WCG have stepped away from BOINC, they should note that BOINC is 100% open source. It is not owned by any individual so people can do almost whatever they want with it. There is no requirement to export data at all but most projects do. And WCG do contribute to BOINC - I imagine that any security fixes they make for the client they are currently planning on adopting as mentioned here will be fed back to the BOINC source. I know Kevin is (or was) the Chair on the BOINC Project Management Committee. As stated at the start this is just my personal thoughts on this. As GDPR has only been in force for a short period of time, then until we get some proper cases going through courts to set precedence, then being paranoid is not entirely unreasonable. |
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Former Member
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If WCG have the opinion that they can no longer share information with BOINC they should leave BOINC, not just benefit from the work done by the BOINC members and share nothing back. Personally I think that BOINC should kick out WCG from their community, sheering should go both ways. Are you fine with this behavior than stay with WCG, if not than leave WCG and maybe put a little pressure on them and show them that they can not just ignore a grop of their members and believe that they just will accept that. https://boincstats.com/en/forum/5/11967,1#147251 Relax. What they're doing right now is the path of least resistance. Lots of questions about how to deal with the EU getting too big for its britches, but WCG isn't the site to demand those answers. The research is too important, let others take the risks to sort this out, then WCG can follow once the dust has settled. |
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Simplex0
Advanced Cruncher Sweden Joined: Aug 14, 2008 Post Count: 83 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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If WCG have the opinion that they can no longer share information with BOINC they should leave BOINC, not just benefit from the work done by the BOINC members and share nothing back. Personally I think that BOINC should kick out WCG from their community, sheering should go both ways. Are you fine with this behavior than stay with WCG, if not than leave WCG and maybe put a little pressure on them and show them that they can not just ignore a grop of their members and believe that they just will accept that. https://boincstats.com/en/forum/5/11967,1#147251 Relax. What they're doing right now is the path of least resistance. Lots of questions about how to deal with the EU getting too big for its britches, but WCG isn't the site to demand those answers. The research is too important, let others take the risks to sort this out, then WCG can follow once the dust has settled. No problem here, I have already changed project and running LHC@home on my computers now. |
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Rantanplan72
Cruncher Joined: Mar 23, 2016 Post Count: 17 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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As I noticed it.
----------------------------------------My boinc stats don' t increase anymore, thince about 2-3 weeks ago. Still crunshing but no stats points are added. Greets ! [Edit 1 times, last edit by Rantanplan72 at Jun 5, 2018 12:02:15 AM] |
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Jim1348
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 13, 2009 Post Count: 1066 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Are you fine with this behavior than stay with WCG, if not than leave WCG and maybe put a little pressure on them and show them that they can not just ignore a grop of their members and believe that they just will accept that. WCG is complying with the EU GDPR. If you don't accept that, have the EU change it. But WCG gets nothing out of it except a possible liability if they don't comply. |
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X1900AIW
Cruncher Joined: Feb 3, 2008 Post Count: 25 Status: Offline |
I appreciate the option resp. freedom to hide my data.
Started again with WCG projects to support this implementation of privacy protection. WCG is a kind of a real pioneer to stop worldwide data spreading. Have no loss of information, in my account there is everything I need to control validation of calculated results. Want some secret matters? I´m free to share them.   |
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Simplex0
Advanced Cruncher Sweden Joined: Aug 14, 2008 Post Count: 83 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Are you fine with this behavior than stay with WCG, if not than leave WCG and maybe put a little pressure on them and show them that they can not just ignore a grop of their members and believe that they just will accept that. WCG is complying with the EU GDPR. If you don't accept that, have the EU change it. But WCG gets nothing out of it except a possible liability if they don't comply. How about WCG giving some information to their members before closing the doors to BAM and other stats sites or is that to expecting too much? [Edit 1 times, last edit by Simplex0 at Jun 5, 2018 6:08:23 PM] |
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tazzduke
Advanced Cruncher Australia Joined: Aug 8, 2009 Post Count: 56 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Greetings All
----------------------------------------I will back crunching soon just got a work cache that got bigger than expected from another project. I personally would like to see all this anger aimed at WCG redirected at FB, M$ and Google they are the big ones mining your data, IMHO. Cheers  |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
New term: Whataboutism https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whataboutism-origin-meaning . The discussion is about how WCG is going about OUR data feedback and access to the contributions and 'community'. That is what's dear to the volunteers.
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KerSamson
Master Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jan 29, 2007 Post Count: 1684 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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WCG is complying with the EU GDPR. If you don't accept that, have the EU change it. What should I say? Inadequate, inappropriate, stupid, cheeky? The question is not to accept, or not, GDPR furthermore it is how well designed is the compliance solution. I've tried to remain polite on the forum as well as in my e-mails to WCG. However WCG behaves arrogant, bullish, and obstinate; not taking care of the members, not taking into account member comments and proposal; only justifying that WCG (i.e. IBM) lawyers defined their own interpretation of GDPR. In other words, lawyers are currently designing software and not software designers and developers, without taking care of the negative impact. My job (business) is not to design the regulation but to design technical controls for complying with regulation; based on this experience, I can only confirm that WCG is making the compliance design unnecessary complicated and frustrating for the members. In WCG we have the word "Community". Based on your current behavior - ignoring any remark and following inadequate solutions - we should replace "Community" with "Slavery", since slaves are usually not listened to. By the way, what would you say if European people would have a similar reaction like yours regarding US regulation? This story is real pity and I did never imagine that I would one day have to write such a post. Yves --- You should stop to fantasise about the 10 or 20 Million EUR penalty. Many things are mixed together which are not really related. WCG does not sell member private data to third party. WCG does not share member privacy related data (e.g. social security number, geographical address, birthday, etc.) with third party. In case of doubt, WCG should take advantage of pseudonymisation instead of breaking everything. |
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