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Shinobi Gaiden
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biggrin Official ASIC

I think causal contribution is fine, but I am also willing to purchase WCG ASIC's if hardware vendors would make them.

I think we should "bitcoin" the runtime cost, and have long running projects like FAAH have an "cheapest optimal hardware this year" link or something.

Currently my example is getting a quad processor kindle fire for $50; but if it were a "real ambition" for the community to maximize purchase price vs utility, I am sure people would become vested in improving the least common denominator (favorably).

AKA: give us the "raspberry pi" of WCG boards (which may just be a newer raspberry pi).

Dedicated board, cheapest cost, maximum crunch please...
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Re: Official ASIC

I'm not quite understanding what you are asking since a Raspberry pi and an ASIC are drastically different.
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Re: Official ASIC

ASIC's do not have only advantages they are less flexible.
In the WCG particular case, at one side you should have an ASIC supporting for example VINA and at the other side the science project must be rewritten for fitting with the new environment.
Based on the computation complexity including floating point calculation, I doubt that the efforts and the investment required for supporting such an approach would show a positive ROI.
Additionally, you should not forget that sciences and algorithms are updated from time to time. This flexibility is necessary.
If you consider how today it is difficult for WCG scientists to support GPU, you can completely forget an ASIC-based approach.
By the way, a RPi is a "classical" computer and not an ASIC.
Cheers,
Yves
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PS: WCG sciences are a little bit more complex than coin mining.
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Re: Official ASIC

how about this then: VMS that satisfy a desired chronological total -> (how much does it cost me to process a hundred years), etc, and prebuilt arragements with amazon etc on price
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Re: Official ASIC

This would include at least a suspicion of a "for-profit" factor in this project. A very important reason I and probably a lot of others contribute here is exactly because of the not-for-profit idea.

Basically just donating the use of existing hardware is what WCG asks from the members, and that is just fine for me.
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Re: Official ASIC

I don't think WCG is open source so unless WCG would make another app version for it there would never be a use case.

Some other projects are open source and some users have made improvements to the calculations to make it faster. Typically they are math projects that have linear calculations. That would work better for an ASIC anyway.
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Re: Official ASIC

In the specific case of WCG project, the integrity of the results is very important for comparing results and enabling research decisions.
As soon as the science software would be modified even for optimisation purpose, the integrity of the results could not be ensured any more, making the complete work useless.
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Re: Official ASIC

WCG ASIC?
Three words:
no
such
thing

This isn't coin mining where everything on the project uses a single algorithm, each sub project is custom coded and they're all proprietary. There's the potential for people's lives to depend on the accuracy of the work, not just a share of a block that can be recalculated on a whim.
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Re: Official ASIC

It's a great idea, maybe not as specialised as an ASIC but some sort of hardware that is optimised for the typical usage. Like if autodock spends most of its time doing one type of calculations then have hardware that is better at that specific part to speed it up.
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Re: Official ASIC

ASIC for WCG is an interesting idea. It would require design/development/production/distribution/support of hardware devices. And the project would have to be converted to run on it.

How would that compare to the effort of porting a project to GPU platform? There are a lot people with GPU cards ready to download and crunch GPU work units

To Muffin's point about one type of calculation - back in the day of distributed.net projects when the Intel MMX extensions with hardware support for matrix processing came out there was a big jump in throughput
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