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AlmightyMoe
Cruncher Joined: Nov 2, 2016 Post Count: 35 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hi everyone,
----------------------------------------I've been snooping around on these forums trying to find the answers to my questions, and unfortunately I think I just have more questions. So decided to post them here directly to see if I can just at least settle my curiosity. First I have started BOINC with defaults on my Win10/2600K/HD7970, and it seems like it's plodding along. Currently the default is set at 60% CPU at all times, and after starting on 11/2, I have roughly 40K points. 1.) I have noticed that there are other users on WCG (can give userIDs if needed) in my group alone who generate 100,000s of thousands of points (say 300K) in about a week's time more than I. How is that possible with CPU alone? Are users simply getting that much better performance with SkyLake, or are we talking it being common that users build folding-esque dedicated rigs just with CPU power to do the projects? 2.) Also if I understand correctly, there isn't anything currently on WCG that leverages GPUs for the moment, correct? 3.) Even less so for AMD driven cards? It appears BOINC is not seeing my GPU, but not sure how I can tell given that no such projects exists for the GPU? Is it related to tweaking the cc_config.xml? 4.) Given I'm more interested in doing work for medical, I don't see other similar projects than here (excluding F@H)? 5.) Finally, it goes without saying that you can use BOINC for multiple projects, but each project page has their own contribution leaderboards. So say I do find the trifecta of AMD/Medical Projects/recognized GPU - obviously won't contribute to my point total here, correct? Thanks much for your patience and advice! I have done F@H prior, and found it a bit easier, and admit using seeing it use the GPU gaining so many more points was more exciting, but more interested in contributing to the type of projects here. Thanks! -AM ![]() |
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Former Member
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1. Some users may have multiple machines, even into the hundreds or thousands, under one account. You can add as many machines as you like under your username. When setting up BOINC, just use the user name and password that you used to sign in to the forum. It will take a couple of results for it to appear under your account so dont fret if you don't see it right away.
----------------------------------------2. Correct. The only project that utilized GPU on World Community Grid to my recollection was HCC. Several other projects utilize GPUs, I believe you can search BOINC project page. Hopefully future WCG projects will utilize GPUs, but who knows what the researchers will do. Its all in their hands. If they do, I guess I'll have to actually get a decent card! 3. Not sure. I believe CUDA is more widely supported than OpenCL, but may be wrong. All I know is the latest NVIDIA cards (Maxwell and Pascal architectures) are beating the pants off AMD in certain areas of calculations. EDIT - if you decide to do GPU computing, your 7970 is a good candidate. If you decide to upgrade, I would look into these cards. I put them in order of probable speed (and likely cost as well): TitanX (Pascal architecture) GTX 1080Ti (Pascal - release date Jan 2017 I believe) GTX 1080 (Pascal) GTX 1070 (Pascal) TitanX (Maxwell) GTX 1060 (Pascal) GTX 980Ti (Maxwell ) GTX 980 (Maxwell) GTX 1050/1050Ti (Pascal) GTX 970 (Maxwell) The Maxwell cards are the older generation, but you may be able to find them floating around for sale still. I prefer the Founders Edition cards, as they have one fan that blows the air across the card and out the rear of the case, rather than blowing it all around the inside of the case. 4. There may be more, but I focus solely on WCG. I remember reading that F@H would use GPUs though, so if you have a capable card, you could use CPU on WCG and GPU on F@H. Just make sure your computer has adequate power and cooling. 5. Correct. Unless the project is listed here on WCG, It won't count. It will count toward your BOINC stats, but Unless you are doing WCG work, it wont count for here. On a side note, WCG also runs on Android (4.1 and higher I believe) so if you have any old devices that you want to set up as dedicated crunchers, just download BOINC from the play store, set up your WCG account, and optimize the preferences to your desire. NOTE: some devices will get very hot, so maybe positioning them in front of some air flow would help keep them cooler. Right now WCG has the Ebola and Zika projects running on Android as well as Windows/Linux/Mac. [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 5, 2016 11:16:56 AM] |
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Falconet
Master Cruncher Portugal Joined: Mar 9, 2009 Post Count: 3315 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Also, have you installed the AMD driver? Could be the reason why BOINC doesn't see your GPU.
----------------------------------------Many people also set BOINC to use 100% of their CPU's. I do. Always have. ![]() - AMD Ryzen 5 1600AF 6C/12T 3.2 GHz - 85W - AMD Ryzen 5 2500U 4C/8T 2.0 GHz - 28W - AMD Ryzen 7 7730U 8C/16T 3.0 GHz |
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AlmightyMoe
Cruncher Joined: Nov 2, 2016 Post Count: 35 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Thanks for the rapid response joneill003. Just to follow-up on a few points.
----------------------------------------3. Not sure. I believe CUDA is more widely supported than OpenCL, but may be wrong. All I know is the latest NVIDIA cards (Maxwell and Pascal architectures) are beating the pants off AMD in certain areas of calculations. EDIT - if you decide to do GPU computing, your 7970 is a good candidate. The Maxwell cards are the older generation, but you may be able to find them floating around for sale still. I prefer the Founders Edition cards, as they have one fan that blows the air across the card and out the rear of the case, rather than blowing it all around the inside of the case. Yeah, I was thinking it would be nice to use the 7970, but sounds like as you mentioned the researchers don't have anything on the hotplate yet. I do agree on the founders edition for cooling, but I think for the perf / watt - the GTX1080 would be what I would pick. I would also buy a monitor with a rez higher than 1080p so the GTX1080 would make sense. 4. There may be more, but I focus solely on WCG. I remember reading that F@H would use GPUs though, so if you have a capable card, you could use CPU on WCG and GPU on F@H. Just make sure your computer has adequate power and cooling. Yeah, if I really felt the need only for points, I have left here and gone to F@H. Only results I've seen there is research on how to make F@H results more effective, etc.. but nothing really on what the results have shown medically. And I did go to that F@H landing page recently too that showed their research. Here it makes more sense and research that I have interest in as it's specific. On a side note, WCG also runs on Android (4.1 and higher I believe) so if you have any old devices that you want to set up as dedicated crunchers, just download BOINC from the play store, set up your WCG account, and optimize the preferences to your desire. NOTE: some devices will get very hot, so maybe positioning them in front of some air flow would help keep them cooler. Right now WCG has the Ebola and Zika projects running on Android as well as Windows/Linux/Mac. Ah good to know. Thanks! :) Also, have you installed the AMD driver? Could be the reason why BOINC doesn't see your GPU. Many people also set BOINC to use 100% of their CPU's. I do. Always have. Yes good points Falconet. I did the upgrade on this machine via the Win10 upgrade, but I didn't install/uninstall the amd drivers although they are up to date. I heard that helps. So you do 100% and then have it only run when idle? Default is 60% at all times. Cheers to you both! P.S. Where would I see the GPU in the BOINC manager as listed? What menu/option would it appear so I know it's recognized or not? Tkx ![]() [Edit 2 times, last edit by AlmightyMoe at Nov 5, 2016 12:38:41 PM] |
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Former Member
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The 1080 is an amazing card. I have used them at work for compute jobs and a machine with 4x GTX1080s is running on par with a machine running 8x TitanX cards (Maxwell). We decided on 1070s for perf/$.
----------------------------------------Not sure about AMD, but on my Win10 computer, Windows Update downloads and installs the GPU drivers from NVIDIA. If you want to set to 100%, go to advanced view, options, computing preferences, and set CPU time to 100%. I have never enabled the suspend if in use, and have not seen any ill effects. You can experiment and see, but I have found BOINC to be very easy to give up resources as they are needed for daily activities (it runs at the lowest priority in task manager). If you do a lot of gaming, you could always pause BOINC if you notice any lag. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 5, 2016 4:30:48 PM] |
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deltavee
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Let me add some additional data to this discussion. The WCG HCC project was OpenCL, for which AMD cards were optimized and Nvidia not so much. I seem to remember at the time WCG indicating that they would go with OpenCL instead of Cuda for future GPU projects in order to allow all members to participate and not just those with NVIDIA cards.
----------------------------------------Edit: Undoing the changes my cat made prior to posting. [Edit 1 times, last edit by deltavee at Nov 5, 2016 5:02:35 PM] |
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Falconet
Master Cruncher Portugal Joined: Mar 9, 2009 Post Count: 3315 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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AlmightyMoe,
----------------------------------------The Microsoft provided AMD drivers may not be enough. Try installing the latest drivers for your card. If it doesn't show up on BOINC, try uninstalling and installing BOINC. I run at 100% all the time, idle or not ;) Done it since I first started with BOINC. ![]() - AMD Ryzen 5 1600AF 6C/12T 3.2 GHz - 85W - AMD Ryzen 5 2500U 4C/8T 2.0 GHz - 28W - AMD Ryzen 7 7730U 8C/16T 3.0 GHz |
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AlmightyMoe
Cruncher Joined: Nov 2, 2016 Post Count: 35 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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@joneilli
----------------------------------------Yeah fair point on the 1070 as the true price per perf. I was thinking that the wattage is quite similar for the 2 and for me the price is secondary. @deltavee What else is required to make this work then - are there specific OpenGL drivers? I thought that games normally install that but perhaps I'm mistaken and BOINC requires something additional? @Falconet 100% full throttle eh? :) Yes, that's what I meant. The Crimson drivers are up to date - although windows initiates it, they are not windows drivers I was referring to. EDIT: I see what you mean. Yeah I was planning to do it myself... BUT... (see below) :) So perhaps my GPU is active. On the taskbar, the BOINC icon mentions that "GPU inactive while in use", and I can also right click and snooze GPU. However in the advanced tab I see the GPU options in the Processor tab. So does it mean it's active? ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by AlmightyMoe at Nov 5, 2016 9:03:54 PM] |
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Falconet
Master Cruncher Portugal Joined: Mar 9, 2009 Post Count: 3315 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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AlmightyMoe,
----------------------------------------The best way to check if BOINC sees your GPU is to open the event log by pressing SHIFT+CTRL+E or by going to "Advanced" --> "Event Log". Then scroll to the top of the event log and see if you find OpenCL: AMD HD 7970 XXX Gigaflops etc (in the first few lines). I don't know if those things you mention mean the GPU is recognised by BOINC but I would assume so. Also, the AMD drivers install everything that your GPU needs to work with OpenCL - not OpenGL ;) Remember, WCG has no GPU projects right now. ![]() - AMD Ryzen 5 1600AF 6C/12T 3.2 GHz - 85W - AMD Ryzen 5 2500U 4C/8T 2.0 GHz - 28W - AMD Ryzen 7 7730U 8C/16T 3.0 GHz |
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captainjack
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Apr 14, 2008 Post Count: 147 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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AlmightyMoe,
Your 7970 GPU would be very good to use over at the Milkyway@home project. That project requires double precision cards and the 7970 is one of the most capable. I have an older 6950 using the AMD drivers that were installed by Windows 10 and it works quite well at Milkyway@home. |
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