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RicktheBrick
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Here is an interesting article https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/06/20/...computer-without-us-chips, The computer can do over 100 petaflops. So all the members of WCG probably can not do 1% of what that computer can do. If IBM is to remain a force in the fastest supercomputers than it is time for them to build one that can replace all the members of WCG. If IBM is to be a force in cloud computing than they should brag that they can do far more than WCG members as proof of how powerful its cloud computer has become.
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Sgt.Joe
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Is there any indication of how much electricity this thing consumes ? I seem to recall the Tianhe 2 practically needed its own power plant for its electrical needs.
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supdood
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From the T500 press release (http://www.top500.org/lists/2016/06/) for the June list:
----------------------------------------"The peak power consumption under load (running the HPL benchmark) is at 15.37 MW, or 6 Gflops/Watt. This allows the TaihuLight system to grab one of the top spots on the Green500 in terms of the Performance/Power metric." So yes, it would need to either have a dedicated generation station, or be in a grid location with nearby resources that can ramp up when needed. My guess would be that it is located near an existing station with a dedicated line. |
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Sgt.Joe
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A more complete description of the system can be found here. interesting to note is the Chinese based cpu's are RISC based rather than CISC based. It has lots of memory - 1.3 pb, but it is slow memory. Each cpu is single threaded. It is an impressive machine nonetheless.
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RicktheBrick
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My question is "How many gflops does a work unit require"? If a supercomputer does more than 6 times the gflops as a average desktop than how much cost does the average member have? If we were to donate this cost could IBM make a
supercomputer? One would also have to consider the cost of maintaining WCG and all of its servers. A supercomputer would be entirely under IBM's control so it would start at more than twice as efficient since the results would only have to be calculated just once. I believe that the members do it at least twice to ensure correct results. |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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My question is "How many gflops does a work unit require"? If a supercomputer does more than 6 times the gflops as a average desktop than how much cost does the average member have? If we were to donate this cost could IBM make a supercomputer? One would also have to consider the cost of maintaining WCG and all of its servers. A supercomputer would be entirely under IBM's control so it would start at more than twice as efficient since the results would only have to be calculated just once. I believe that the members do it at least twice to ensure correct results. all computing servers costs... so do our bills! are we near solution of making WCG to "rent it computing" to viable funding...& making WCG to integrate paying for our computations (if we select those, commercial use of our equipment)? |
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DCS1955
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Yes , did you see the $270M dollar price for that puppy? As an IBM stockholder, the corporation would need a strong return on capital argument to build one, and replace WCG. I seriously doubt the projects could afford to rent time on even a one pass machine.
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From the T500 press release (http://www.top500.org/lists/2016/06/) for the June list: "The peak power consumption under load (running the HPL benchmark) is at 15.37 MW, or 6 Gflops/Watt. This allows the TaihuLight system to grab one of the top spots on the Green500 in terms of the Performance/Power metric." So yes, it would need to either have a dedicated generation station, or be in a grid location with nearby resources that can ramp up when needed. My guess would be that it is located near an existing station with a dedicated line. The network main frame I took care of in the Air Force had a electric motor generator pair ( 400 cycles ) and a huge 12 cylinder diesel back up ( you could stand in a cylinder) power plant. This system probably has a similar set up. It was officially "the Enterprise power system" [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jun 23, 2016 11:52:04 PM] |
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DCS1955
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They used gas turbine engines to generate backup power or the now defunct Missle Site Radar (part of the 1970's Anti-Ballistic Missle system). They were mounted on platforms resting on huge springs to dampen out seismic shock caused by nuclear bombs.
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Former Member
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Nope, this was ( and still is ) FAF headquarters, not a missile or sub C site...
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