Index  | Recent Threads  | Unanswered Threads  | Who's Active  | Guidelines  | Search
 

Quick Go »
No member browsing this thread
Thread Status: Active
Total posts in this thread: 13
Posts: 13   Pages: 2   [ 1 2 | Next Page ]
[ Jump to Last Post ]
Post new Thread
Author
Previous Thread This topic has been viewed 3253 times and has 12 replies Next Thread
Former Member
Cruncher
Joined: May 22, 2018
Post Count: 0
Status: Offline
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Design Challenge

What is the best cruncher you could build for $500?

Exclude taxes, shipping and operating system.

Exclude Keyboard, monitor, mouse and external cabling.

Include the case and everything in it.

Have fun...
[May 31, 2016 9:53:04 PM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
OldChap
Veteran Cruncher
UK
Joined: Jun 5, 2009
Post Count: 978
Status: Offline
Project Badges:
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Design Challenge

Please define best

Is this supposed to be most productive ?

Am I supposed to consider electrical use ??
----------------------------------------

[Jun 1, 2016 12:32:34 AM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
Former Member
Cruncher
Joined: May 22, 2018
Post Count: 0
Status: Offline
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Design Challenge

Crunches the most results per day, electrical use doesn't matter.
[Jun 1, 2016 12:48:24 AM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
Former Member
Cruncher
Joined: May 22, 2018
Post Count: 0
Status: Offline
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Design Challenge

5 Odroid xu4's @$79 each running Android. 8 cores each means 40 total cores. Case not needed unless you like pretty things. 16GB micro SD class 10 cards to run them are cheap. Electrical would be next to nothing too smile

If you're talking PCs, you can get used blade servers on ebay running dual hex core xeons for sub $500 price.
[Jun 1, 2016 11:04:22 AM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
KLiK
Master Cruncher
Croatia
Joined: Nov 13, 2006
Post Count: 3108
Status: Offline
Project Badges:
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Design Challenge

5 Odroid xu4's @$79 each running Android. 8 cores each means 40 total cores. Case not needed unless you like pretty things. 16GB micro SD class 10 cards to run them are cheap. Electrical would be next to nothing too smile

If you're talking PCs, you can get used blade servers on ebay running dual hex core xeons for sub $500 price.

+1

but some Xeons with multiple cores run pretty cheap also...like E5-2670V2 is around $220-250, which has a 10c/20ht! just need also an mbo for it & RAM...
wink
----------------------------------------
oldies:UDgrid.org & PS3 Life@home


non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia
[Jun 1, 2016 11:11:09 AM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
Former Member
Cruncher
Joined: May 22, 2018
Post Count: 0
Status: Offline
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Design Challenge

I would buy 13 RCA 7" quad core tablets at wally world for $38 each, $494 total.

13 X 4 = 52 cores @ 1.2 ghz

The chargers max at 5vdc @ 1 amp ( they never use any where near this much ) for 5 watts apiece or 65 watts per hour.

52/65 watts = .8 watts per core maximum

65 watts X 24 hours X 30 days per month = 46.8 Kwh

46.8 Kwh X $.20 per Kwh = $9.36 a month maximum possible electric cost.

Once originally charged, they only need a small trickle to maintain the charge so the usage and electrical costs are much lower than above.
----------------------------------------
[Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jun 1, 2016 4:54:35 PM]
[Jun 1, 2016 4:53:52 PM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
Former Member
Cruncher
Joined: May 22, 2018
Post Count: 0
Status: Offline
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Design Challenge

Guess I should have stipulated that it could crunch ANY WCG project, ruling out the droids...
[Jun 5, 2016 8:46:02 PM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
OldChap
Veteran Cruncher
UK
Joined: Jun 5, 2009
Post Count: 978
Status: Offline
Project Badges:
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Design Challenge

Crunches the most results per day, electrical use doesn't matter.


With just this in mind and presuming that secondhand equipment is allowed I find that the argument is going to be between more older slower cores or fewer newer cores that tend to run faster.

To put things in perspective and miss your $500 target for a moment..... Back awhile I looked at my overclocked 2600K and what it was achieving. At a certain overclock I could achieve around 9000 boinc points per day on one project but doing so was using 240w from the socket. The chance arose for me to get a dual socket xeon e5 setup that ran at half the speed and with 4 times as many threads and as you might expect it achieved twice as many points whilst still using 240w on the same project.

If you can stop laughing for a moment when I say that points are related to the amount of work done then it seems to me you should just look for which machines produce the most points and work your way down the list until you find one that you can build/buy for $500

OR

In view of your comment "electrical use doesn't matter" maybe consider even older cheaper tech but more of it. You can probably buy 2 or 3 xeon x5550/x5570 dualies for the money (More if you use blades) which will do more work but each one will likely use 250w plus

copy these results into your own spreadsheet and sort on ppd to get you started:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ll78D...9Xazh6Bvo2xlII/edit#gid=0

As a general rule work done is proportional to watts used. Just remember that each generation of xeon cpus is more efficient the newer it is and that is probably why companies upgrade their servers.
----------------------------------------

[Jun 5, 2016 11:02:04 PM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
Former Member
Cruncher
Joined: May 22, 2018
Post Count: 0
Status: Offline
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Design Challenge

Would the priorities in a system be:

1. Number of cores/threads
2. Processor speed
3. Ram

Let’s say you are crunching The Clean Energy Project ( which requires 1 GB of ram ).
Running Windows 7 requiring 2 GB RAM (64-bit)

Would this mean on a quad core you should at least have 1+1+1+2=5Gb ram to max out performance?

{1GB per instance of TCEP plus 2gb for the operating system.}

Would more ram that this, say 8GB be a waste?

I’m just trying to learn here...
[Jun 6, 2016 2:44:35 AM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
OldChap
Veteran Cruncher
UK
Joined: Jun 5, 2009
Post Count: 978
Status: Offline
Project Badges:
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Design Challenge

Priorities seem right to me but although CEP states 1GB per thread is required you can read that as including the OS for the most part (8t plus)

When building crunchers it is preferred to use Linux anyway (free and uses less resources) so should be good with 4t and cep. Again just for crunching it is not difficult to set up Linux
----------------------------------------

[Jun 6, 2016 5:26:05 AM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
Posts: 13   Pages: 2   [ 1 2 | Next Page ]
[ Jump to Last Post ]
Post new Thread