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Thread: I guess the customer IS always right. FAAH2=2.6% |
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OldChap
Veteran Cruncher UK Joined: Jun 5, 2009 Post Count: 978 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Well they do say that the customer is always right and here at WCG we the crunchers are the customers.
----------------------------------------WCG, in their wisdom, also created three metrics to watch; points, runtime and number of wu's completed. FAAH2 was created and in so doing two of those metrics are ignored. the ability to run on a poor internet connection is called into question, the ability to run "occasionally" rather than 24/7 likewise. I guess then that the customers are voting on these decisions with their feet and walking away from this project. If I got the numbers right then just 2.6% of all the work done on WCG is done on this project. Am I complaining? No not really, but I do hope lessons are learnt before another project is released. The project itself is not of particular interest to me so I can walk away as well as anyone here and have just chosen to do so. Perhaps there are those that will consider me somewhat selfish. You may be right ... or not, it doesn't matter. Maybe I will be back again when the issues are fixed but until then you guys have fun fighting this one.  |
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gb009761
Master Cruncher Scotland Joined: Apr 6, 2005 Post Count: 2977 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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OldChap, after doing some number crunching of myself (and I could well be wrong in my calculations here - and if so, please correct me), I've come up with some different numbers than you.
----------------------------------------The following, were based on yesterday's figures (1st of Jan, 2016); Totals FAHB OET UGM MCM CEP2 So, across WCG - 9.06% of the results returned were for FAHB, 28.43% of the points generated were for FAHB and 28.30% was for time spent on this project - i.e., considering the longer average WU length being the reason behind the small number of results returned, to me, it looks as though just over a quarter of the power of "the grid" is being contributed towards this project.  [Edit 2 times, last edit by gb009761 at Jan 2, 2016 4:18:07 AM] |
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7589 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I agree with gb009761's figures. You are certainly entitled, as a volunteer, to choose what ever project(s) you deem right for you and to devote however much of your resources to those projects. Not every project can be designed to fit the optimum crunching experience for everyone. FAAH2 has a different model for how it is run, so it will not necessarily work for some crunchers. You should feel perfectly OK not to run this project. However you choose to allocate your resources should be appreciated by the scientists of those projects. Crunch on as you see fit.
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Sgt. Joe
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KerSamson
Master Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jan 29, 2007 Post Count: 1671 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hi OldChap,
----------------------------------------may I observe that WCG members do not represent "customers" but they are much more "supporters"? The project scientists are the "customers". However, I can very good understand your frustration, having the feeling not being able to support projects as stronger as you would like. Nevertheless, I agree with gb009761 and Sgt.Joe, the initial constraints by designing a project is the project itself. The way to compute, the needed transfer volume as well as the required performance drive the project design much stronger than some particular member limitations. As long as different projects - with different requirements and constraints - are available, there is finally only limited "inconveniences" for the members (by the way, I live in the country and my Internet connection is not really powerful (about 5 Mb/s). I wish you a great year 2016 ! Cheers, Yves |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Well they do say that the customer is always right and here at WCG we the crunchers are the customers. WCG, in their wisdom, also created three metrics to watch; points, runtime and number of wu's completed. FAAH2 was created and in so doing two of those metrics are ignored. the ability to run on a poor internet connection is called into question, the ability to run "occasionally" rather than 24/7 likewise. I guess then that the customers are voting on these decisions with their feet and walking away from this project. If I got the numbers right then just 2.6% of all the work done on WCG is done on this project. Am I complaining? No not really, but I do hope lessons are learnt before another project is released. The project itself is not of particular interest to me so I can walk away as well as anyone here and have just chosen to do so. Perhaps there are those that will consider me somewhat selfish. You may be right ... or not, it doesn't matter. Maybe I will be back again when the issues are fixed but until then you guys have fun fighting this one. +1 |
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kffitzgerald
Senior Cruncher USA Joined: Jan 29, 2011 Post Count: 222 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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evolving knowledge - at night I shutdown portions of my network... why? to save the power used by my 2 24port switches, hardware firewall etc - my server still chugs away during the shutdown period. I got bit twice by the FAAH2 project by letting this project run during the shutdown timeframe... simple solution: suspend any FAAH2 WU's running at shutdown time and resume the next morning when the network is viable. so far I haven't got bit again, still saving a few $'s, still getting my "credits" from FAAH2 and as an added bonus my network isn't available for hackers to attack during the shutdown period..
Hopefully WCG has learned not to code WU's with ridiculous parameters - WE your SUPPORTERS gladly DONATE our TIME, OUR POWER and our RESOURCES! |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I got bit twice by the FAAH2 project by letting this project run during the shutdown timeframe... Yes, we need to be vigilant if this project is to get useful work done before its scheduling is tuned in some way. I'm letting it run on two old slow machines that are not in use by people, but the laptops are away from a network for too long when the deadlines are so short relative to the run times. Consequently, the fast quad-core laptops can only run the other projects. Wonder how many people donating to this project have just set up WCG a while ago and aren't watching to notice the problems. |
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SekeRob
Master Cruncher Joined: Jan 7, 2013 Post Count: 2741 Status: Offline |
With the day on day on day records for FAHB [or is it FAH2?] with a Sunday projection of 84K validations, see http://bit.ly/WCGFAHB , doubt there's any motivation to fix the off-line crunch validation fail issue... enough participation.
 BTW the weight for FAHB seems to have changed... my very remote FAHB/UGM system is rarely getting UGM jobs i.e. it's probably closer to medium or normal. |
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scol5913
Senior Cruncher UK Joined: May 30, 2013 Post Count: 192 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I see the point to the way FAAH2 is conceived but it does deter participation with the short due dates and long run times which seems a little self defeating. It will interesting see what happens this year as OET finishes around May and MCM possibly in August. As it will leave only Ugm as the easy to run project.
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gb009761
Master Cruncher Scotland Joined: Apr 6, 2005 Post Count: 2977 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Well, whatever happens, hopefully at least 1 new project is "in the works" (as indicated by the Phase 2 of HFCC - Help Fight Childhood Cancer Project Update - November 2015). Also, considering the participation of FAHB, there does seem to be a pretty good uptake with it, so, although it may not suit everyone's taste/computer capabilities, perhaps the new project(s) that are being worked on in the background, will help.
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