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Re: I guess the customer IS always right. FAAH2=2.6%

I am a bit surprised that more university research groups do not take advantage of IBM's offer of effectively free computer time. They even run the network for them. Maybe the cost of in-house computing is so low that it is not worth sending out? Of course, not every project is suitable for distributed computing, since it involves long delays in getting the results back, which may limit how much work they can send out again to the volunteers. There may be logistic hoops they have to jump through. Or maybe they don't trust the results?
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I am a bit surprised that more university research groups do not take advantage of IBM's offer of effectively free computer time.

A university-museum joint research group I'm involved with was interested, but we found that it was a requirement to get the entire university and/or museum to promise to run BOINC on all of their machines. Hardly likely to happen because of (1) general paranoia about vulnerability of the machines and (2) the antique level of IT support at the museum. If it were easy to set up on, say, the 20 machines we actually control ourselves, that would have been wonderful. Instead, we had 3 machines dedicated for some months, and cut a lot of corners on the computation. sad
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Wow. I thought there might be some strings attached, but had no idea.
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I'm just a little bit skeptical that is a requirement. I would be willing to bet that the Scripps Institute and Harvard don't run BOINC on all their machines. I don't remember seeing it in the requirements section of the RFP document. Doesn't mean that it doesn't come up later in the approval process but I can't imagine that IBM would turn down good research just for a little extra participation. Also, just because an entity runs BOINC doesn't mean they connect to WCG. They could run Einstein@Home and be in compliance. Maybe something has been taken out of context..
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Re: I guess the customer IS always right. FAAH2=2.6%

Maybe something has been taken out of context..

I don't want to blow it up beyond what it is worth. This is a good project, but who knows how it is implemented in each particular case. There may be special requirements that we can't envision.
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With the day on day on day records for FAHB [or is it FAH2?] with a Sunday projection of 84K validations, see http://bit.ly/WCGFAHB , doubt there's any motivation to fix the off-line crunch validation fail issue... enough participation. frustrated

BTW the weight for FAHB seems to have changed... my very remote FAHB/UGM system is rarely getting UGM jobs i.e. it's probably closer to medium or normal.

they can weight it anyway they want to...but as users, we'll abandon those projects that don't give us adequate results...like off-line computation in FAHB!
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A university-museum joint research group I'm involved with was interested, but we found that it was a requirement to get the entire university and/or museum to promise to run BOINC on all of their machines.

I'd like to confirm that we do not require the research organization to run BOINC on their machines.

If the group you're involved in is interested in running their work on World Community Grid, you can get more information about our requirements and process here: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/research/viewSubmitAProposal.do. And if they have any questions/concerns, please encourage them to contact us .
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Re: I guess the customer IS always right. FAAH2=2.6%

A university-museum joint research group I'm involved with was interested, but we found that it was a requirement to get the entire university and/or museum to promise to run BOINC on all of their machines.

I'd like to confirm that we do not require the research organization to run BOINC on their machines.

If the group you're involved in is interested in running their work on World Community Grid, you can get more information about our requirements and process here: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/research/viewSubmitAProposal.do. And if they have any questions/concerns, please encourage them to contact us .

Implicitly they are saying: "We're not going to risk our infrastructure for security and whatever, but if 3rd party volunteers get exposed by 'our' science application [which it is!], we're all fine. Think it's an excellent condition to get the chaff separated from the grain. A++ to whoever the facilitator was that came up with this test, to include user impairing... not fit to run on their in-house grid, not fit to run on volunteer devices.
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As the admin jhindo said it is not a requirement and I can understand why.

While I truly want univs to widely run the software, it doesn't make sense for an entire university to be required to do so if one professor in one department had some simulations he/she wanted to run. Large organizations (military, government, univ, businesses) have complex bureaucracy to the level that a requirement for the whole organization to install/run/maintain software such as Boinc would result in a number of research projects never making it to WCG.
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As the admin jhindo said it is not a requirement and I can understand why.

While I truly want univs to widely run the software, it doesn't make sense for an entire university to be required to do so if one professor in one department had some simulations he/she wanted to run. Large organizations (military, government, univ, businesses) have complex bureaucracy to the level that a requirement for the whole organization to install/run/maintain software such as Boinc would result in a number of research projects never making it to WCG.

well I don't concur with you!

if some scientist wants to have access some computers in classes & they have at least on those in their department, then those should also run BOINC on WCG...with a suggestion that whole Uni can run it after a trial, which is agreed on in statements or contract...
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so SekeRob, you got +1 on this one suggestion!
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