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Thread: Project credit listed in account doesn't match BOINC credit or results page. |
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marm0t
Cruncher Joined: Nov 18, 2015 Post Count: 7 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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My project credit page reports 61905 worth of credit from my computers' work but the BOINC client reports that I have only 8936 in total credit. The BOINC number matches the results page as I copy pasted all my results from the results section of my account into a spread sheet and summed them after they were finally checked as valid and came up with 0.0045357255 credit per second on this Dell laptop.
The 61905 credit for the 1731322 seconds of work comes out to 0.0357559137 (which is approaching an order of magnitude of inaccuracy) per second but it's the BOINC client that matters, not what is listed in my account settings. Why the discrepancy? |
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noderaser
Senior Cruncher United States Joined: Jun 6, 2006 Post Count: 297 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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WCG's credit and BOINC cobblestones are not equivalent, you have to divide WCG credit by 7 to get BOINC cobblestones.
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marm0t
Cruncher Joined: Nov 18, 2015 Post Count: 7 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I have to make my decisions on what project to run based on BOINC credit, not in house WCG credit, and that number is tremendously lower than competing CPU projects.
IJS. |
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deltavee
Ace Cruncher Texas Hill Country Joined: Nov 17, 2004 Post Count: 4849 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I have to make my decisions on what project to run based on BOINC credit, not in house WCG credit, and that number is tremendously lower than competing CPU projects. Then let me recommend Bitcoin Utopia. A totally worthless effort, but you get maximum points. We however will continue seeking cures for cancer, aids, ebola, etc.  |
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SekeRob
Master Cruncher Joined: Jan 7, 2013 Post Count: 2741 Status: Offline |
Most people here choose for doing the science and care little about the points. Since everyone is in the same 'credit' boat, on WCG challenges it makes no difference if doing 1 point per hour or 100 points per hours,all are ranked the same.
Why WCG is still on BOINC credit times 7 I do not know. Not interested to know [it's a legacy from the decade ago days when there were two agents doling out points]. Really WCG if wanting to be in compliance with the Credit_new policy, better divides the points by 14 instead of 7 as the BOINC policy had a change that halved the value of BOINC credit i.e. you need 200 BOINC credit now instead of 100 per unit of time.  (Or maybe the other way around, since the calculation is reverse polish, the client is better told to spit out double the BOINC credit and then multiply by 7 to compensate for the halving of BOINC credit value per unit of time... but as said nobody cares, ... half of those who know the real story have already transferred to the permanent hunting grounds... soon there's no one left to recount the lore)  |
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marm0t
Cruncher Joined: Nov 18, 2015 Post Count: 7 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I have to make my decisions on what project to run based on BOINC credit, not in house WCG credit, and that number is tremendously lower than competing CPU projects. Then let me recommend Bitcoin Utopia. A totally worthless effort, but you get maximum points. We however will continue seeking cures for cancer, aids, ebola, etc. That was a cheap shot. The people doing utopia are earning funds for research to support these efforts. Also, I didn't put all that effort into asteroid calculations for my benefit but the potential to eventually find minerals for technology in the belts so we don't have people in the Congo being used as pawns in proxy wars. What could be the most mundane and worthless effort but to attempt to find the largest prime number ever found before? Now THAT is an almost worthless endeavor compared to mining coins worth $378 a piece that are then donated to research. My choice of what to put my computers to research on is not decided by RAC, but another standard. I'm irritated that WCG is trying to convince me that my computers put out more effort than was measured on the common BOINC scale. They clearly use BOINC standards in the work unit details I built my spreadsheet on, then those results were quickly deleted and the summary is reported in a different measurement without qualifying or distinction. That's what is called bait and switch in sales terms. Is this project going to freely donate it's cure for cancer, Ebola or AIDs to the world as we have given our computer time freely to IBM? Certainly not. They are going to seek profits and we are funding their profit making endeavors to the tune of $50 to $500 a month in electricity that our computers are using on their research. If you have evidence that any of the projects BOINC users have donated their time to have resulted in medicines or solutions that are freely given away, then post it. I'm going to still donate my computing time to scientific research and since I'm shelling out $100 to $200 a month from my pocket to do so, the least I can expect is a fair distribution of virtual points to competing projects... [Edit 2 times, last edit by marm0t at Dec 2, 2015 10:56:26 AM] |
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marm0t
Cruncher Joined: Nov 18, 2015 Post Count: 7 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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of BOINC credit value per unit of time...but as said nobody cares, ... You are quite wrong about that. I know of a few hundred, at least, that do care about measuring the value of their computing power using a common measuring system and putting it where it's best needed. Data analysis is quite useful in that regards. [Edit 1 times, last edit by marm0t at Dec 2, 2015 10:55:22 AM] |
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petehardy
Senior Cruncher USA Joined: May 4, 2007 Post Count: 318 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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When a fair system to measure contributions is available, I'm sure WCG will adopt it!
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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just watching...just watching & enjoying!
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SekeRob
Master Cruncher Joined: Jan 7, 2013 Post Count: 2741 Status: Offline |
of BOINC credit value per unit of time...but as said nobody cares, ... You are quite wrong about that. I know of a few hundred, at least, that do care about measuring the value of their computing power using a common measuring system and putting it where it's best needed. Data analysis is quite useful in that regards. You like the smallest possible quote mining... A few hundred, on how many millions of BOINC crunchers on the globe? Pretty much the equivalent of nobody. If you though had been around these forums, the nobody interested more so applies to WCG, because really there is no 'body' of meaningful representation being able to upsell the case, as there is only a heavily broken system, more broken since Credit-New. The comment of petehardy much underscored. |
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