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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Would putting the BOINC data files on a USB 3.0 thumb drive help? I have done this thrice, not only BOINC, but the OS (Linux Mint) also. The first time I used the cheapest no name drive I could find, I think it was $3.99 for an 8 gig drive. It lasted about 4 months and then froze up. The second time I used a slightly better drive, $5.99 for a 16g (PNY) drive( prices have come down lately). That one lasted about 10 months and then froze with the message it had turned into a read only drive. Currently I have another 16g drive (SanDisk) running (about 2 months). They have been run on a Dell 2650 server with 8 cores running 24/7. All have been USB2.0. I am quite sure they can't use much electricity. Even though they fail eventually, I am satisfied with the performance. Been running mainly MCM1 over this time period. Cheers maybe u should use some like TOSHIBA with LifeTime warranty...KingSton which has a few y warranty? ![]() |
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Former Member
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Snip "That's not what I see during CEP2. It often writes, yes, but that's a small amount of data every few seconds."
Just don't see this happening using the mentioned PE and PM tools [What tool do you see this with... screenshot plz]. As someone once noted, there's soft-writes, which do not actually hit storage. Is it this maybe? Think on the first installment of of one of the last few new sciences, there was the continues writing, essentially disrespecting the "write to disk" interval setting in the client. The WCG programmers worked hard to eradicate these events and make the app WtD compliant. |
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Former Member
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I'm sorry for intervening but on my PC I see continuous writing.
Through Windows task manager in Win 8.1 while the notebook (with an HDD) is crunching two CEP WUs at a time I see two instances of wcgrid_cep2_qchem_prod_win32.exe.7.00 writing to disk almost continuously at a total rate (BOINC is the only program rurring while I observe this) varying precisely every second in a range of 10 KB/s to 10 MB/s. It increases, reaches a maximum and than decreases every two seconds when the maximum is up to 2 MB/s and every six seconds when the maximum is up to 10 MB/s. My on-site settings is Write to disk at most every: 60 seconds. |
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Former Member
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Which exact properties screen? Screenshot please with highlight of the offended columns/fields, dropbox, imageshack or directly in post with [img ]file link[/img ] (Remove space after img and closing ] bracket. Note that page faults/delta is going nowhere, i/o write and i/o write byte columns are absolutely static here between checkpoints (W7-64 with 8GBRAM , 75% allowed when in use].
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Sorry, I've made a mistake. Taking a closer look I've noticed there's a few other executables (mousepad, System.exe and similar ones) that contribute in the behaviour I've seen and Q-Chem executables don't write to disk almost continuously as I first thought.
But is still true that between a write and another done by the same Q-Chem executable passes less than a minute. Since their write rate is lower than what I previously stated (and It doesn't causes me any problem because I don't use the PC while it crunches) I think there's no need to bother you with this matter. Sorry for being impetuous. |
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Former Member
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No worries, but I do allow [apologies for the repetition], only one at the time, project default, no overrides. Just passed 4 years on this science, fed by 2 or 3 machines going the snail way, and getting 98+% efficiency on the go, very little kernel time [that what hints at issues].
On Linux the VM can be held entirely in RAM, in fact, my VM though set at 3GB under Ubuntu [own partition] only ever has 6MB in use. In effect, it does not get used at all. CEP2 BTW ignores WtD... it checkpoints when it wants to checkpoint, but usually for most everyone the WtD is shorter than the checkpoint interval for CEP2, so it's rarely noticed. |
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Former Member
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I'm aware that default setting is strongly reccomended but fortunately crunching two WUs simultaneously, even if I see some 0x3 or 0xc0000005 RC (however WUs always get validated), my fail rate is extremely low * and doing that way doesn't affect my work since I crunch when I don't use the PC. So I think it isn't a bad idea to do so; I've seen three at a time is too much for me but two fits in.
* I remeber less than five failed WUs among over two hundred completed and they all failed on all the wingmen so it wasn't due to my setting Should I ever encounter any problem due to this, I'll revert to one at a time. |
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7846 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Would putting the BOINC data files on a USB 3.0 thumb drive help? I have done this thrice, not only BOINC, but the OS (Linux Mint) also. The first time I used the cheapest no name drive I could find, I think it was $3.99 for an 8 gig drive. It lasted about 4 months and then froze up. The second time I used a slightly better drive, $5.99 for a 16g (PNY) drive( prices have come down lately). That one lasted about 10 months and then froze with the message it had turned into a read only drive. Currently I have another 16g drive (SanDisk) running (about 2 months). They have been run on a Dell 2650 server with 8 cores running 24/7. All have been USB2.0. I am quite sure they can't use much electricity. Even though they fail eventually, I am satisfied with the performance. Been running mainly MCM1 over this time period. Cheers maybe u should use some like TOSHIBA with LifeTime warranty...KingSton which has a few y warranty? ![]() If I ever see one on sale for the right price, I will give it a go. Wonder how they determine lifetime ? Cheers
Sgt. Joe
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
The latency collapse, as seen in the second picture, is ended an extreme point, but try it with 12 CEP2 threads and an SSD's garbage collector could very well run into such problems--especially if the BOINC Data file is on the same disk as the OS.
In the beginning, when most of the blocks are empty, the garbage collection processes has more time to do its thing, but what happens to the latency when there are no longer any free blocks and every block written to first has to be erased? This is why old SSDs become noticeably slower. Running just one CEP2 thread, like some suggest we should do, and which I disagree with since clean energy is so important, doesn't cause any latency problems. I do have some CEP2 errors from time to time--less than 2% of all CEP2 wus--but that's a price I'm willing to pay. My processor's utilization is around 99%, which is OK. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
You misread... if anyone has complaints, go back to 1, else get on with doing whatever one likes to do, but don't expect a fix. How many times we've discussed e.g. staggered starting/restarting, one of the main issues causing collapse of performance, I can't remember. The solution request is on the BOINC developers plate, that is, they put that plate in the back of the dishwasher and never take it out. That's why I do 1 per PC and not more.
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