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OleFM
Cruncher Joined: Jan 22, 2014 Post Count: 1 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hi!
I'm working with a Charity that want to spend some money on computing for WCG. And they have given me the task of planing and maintenance. I'm wondering what would deliver most results and points a) A professional server setup. b) A gaming setup with CPU's delivering high Ghz. c) Something else, ASIC or whatever :) I already have a DELL Poweredge T610 with two Intel E5630 (2,53Ghz) and 48GB DDR3 ECC 1333Mhz RAM. Delivering about 50.000 points a day. Thanks for all reply's :) |
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imakuni
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Jun 11, 2009 Post Count: 105 Status: Recently Active Project Badges:
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Right off the bat, option C is out. WCG only works on regular hardware, so you are looking for normal parts.
----------------------------------------Next, there's another thing to note: power consumption. Don't forget, these machines have to be sustained, and multiple 24/7 PCs have a hefty cost on every month's power bill. But there's even more: would these be dedicated crunchers, or would these PCs be used for something else? Where are you located? How much can you spend? These are all important questions that can aid you into fine tuning your setups for maximum efficiency. ![]() Want to have an image of yourself like this on? Check this thread: https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,29840 |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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If they'll sponsor a Haswell 4790K will do the job just nicely...but depending, if they r willing to buy it?!
----------------------------------------Professional servers r great...use of several CPUs...newer come with HT, so dual tasks per core... BUT, they consume more! Gaming platforms are not 24/7 stable...& GPUs WCG doesn't use...so that is out of the question! Maybe some Workstation? Or Server... |
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imakuni
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Jun 11, 2009 Post Count: 105 Status: Recently Active Project Badges:
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If they'll sponsor a Haswell 4790K will do the job just nicely...but depending, if they r willing to buy it?! Professional servers r great...use of several CPUs...newer come with HT, so dual tasks per core... BUT, they consume more! Gaming platforms are not 24/7 stable...& GPUs WCG doesn't use...so that is out of the question! Maybe some Workstation? Or Server... Uh... last time I checked, a 4790k was a gaming CPU. And workstations are NOT a good idea - provided OP can build the PCs on it's own, then we can do much better by using custom parts. For example, cheap RAM (WCG just doesn't care), lack of HDs in favor of a single SSD to power all the systems via Ethernet boot, used cases (or even no case at all!), TFX Psus... you name it. Workstations also tend to have restrictions on the BIOS / Software they come with, and troubleshooting such machines is just A PAIN. ![]() Want to have an image of yourself like this on? Check this thread: https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,29840 |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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well 4790K is the best one according to SETi@home stats...
----------------------------------------can't really find WCG similar stats... :( |
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Falconet
Master Cruncher Portugal Joined: Mar 9, 2009 Post Count: 3315 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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It would be good to have an idea of the budget range.
----------------------------------------![]() - AMD Ryzen 5 1600AF 6C/12T 3.2 GHz - 85W - AMD Ryzen 5 2500U 4C/8T 2.0 GHz - 28W - AMD Ryzen 7 7730U 8C/16T 3.0 GHz |
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OldChap
Veteran Cruncher UK Joined: Jun 5, 2009 Post Count: 978 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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The broad statement to cover this is The newer the tech, the more expensive it is to buy but the cheaper it is to run.
----------------------------------------Server hardware is designed to run 24/7 but can be very noisy There should be some correlation between points per day and the amount of work done. I have a few entries on a spreadsheet that might give you a feel for this and some entries have good power use numbers as well if that is a factor you want to consider: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ll78D...9Xazh6Bvo2xlII/edit?pli=1 ![]() |
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Alejandro Guariguata
Cruncher Peru Joined: Sep 4, 2014 Post Count: 12 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Having built dedicated BOINC machines myself, with charity funding, i would consider these points first
1. Hardware The hardware largely depends on your budget, either way i would consider these factors -Reliability (very important, highly recommended to get a motherboard with a heatsink on the VRM(voltage regulator module) ) -Efficiency (look at the WCG forums for help) -Cooling (the cpu, vrm and north bridge will get hot. get a system fan to cool them) -GPU (my build relies on the onboard graphics as no GPU was installed) 2. Software -Ubuntu server (free, BOINC runs fine on it, requires you to learn ubuntu server, never have to use a GPU, ssh into it from anywhere) -Windows (not free, assuming you already know how to work it, problematic without a gpu) 3. Location Being secure and confident in the location that the BOINC machines will run is necessary. Factors you want to account for include -Accessibility -Humidity -Ventilation (preferable but not required) -Temperature My build used these components and it has been running for days perfectly Mobo: Gigabyte 78LMT CPU: AMD FX8350 PSU: Coolermaster Elite Power 460W CPU Fan: Cooler Master Blizzard T2 RAM: ADATA Premier Series DDR3 1333Mhz 4 GB |
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Former Member
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"2. Software
-Ubuntu server (free, BOINC runs fine on it, requires you to learn ubuntu server, never have to use a GPU, ssh into it from anywhere) -Windows (not free, assuming you already know how to work it, problematic without a gpu)" Windows runing headless is no hassel i do it. Instead of use SSH there is free remote desktop software like TeamViewer. And if the machine has a pro version of Windows you can get into it with Windows built in remote desktop app from a nother windows computer on same lan (the host dont need to be pro can be home version). |
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Kasey Domer
Cruncher United States Joined: Jul 24, 2013 Post Count: 44 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hi, CharityHost,
----------------------------------------You might want to check on ES (engineering sample) Xeons on eBay. You can find them there for a fraction of the price of a retail unit, so that method can be an awesome price-to-performance ratio. Just keep in mind that with those, you'll either need to run your OS headless or get some sort of GPU, even if it's just enough to run a display. I bought an E5-2695 v3 (14C/28T, 2.5GHz turbo) for $550 and it works great. ![]() ![]() Crunchers: 1: Xeon E5-2695 v3 @ 2.5GHz turbo (14C/28T) 2: Xeon E5-2658 v3 @ 2.3GHz turbo (12C/24T) 3: Ryzen 7 1700 @ 3.675GHz OC (8C/16T) 4: Core i7-4700MQ @ 3.2GHz cTDP up (4C/8T) |
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