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Re: Xeon E5 performance charts

Twilyth - Yeah. I was really worried about it, but thankfully my chips worked with my supermicro board. I cannot emphasize enough how much you guys helped me with this. Just going through old threads helped me navigate a potential minefield.

TBMS - I live in Japan and at the moment, the yen is historically weak compared to the $. On top of that, the chips I got, were below the market rate for here. Hence my happiness!

To give you some examples (In Japanese).

Xeon V3 Engineering samples
http://auctions.search.yahoo.co.jp/search?auc...eon+es+v3&x=0&y=0

Xeon V2 Engineering samples
http://auctions.search.yahoo.co.jp/search?p=x...&auccat=&slider=0
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That's a no-nonsense workstation. Great processors and even better graphic card. I read you are crunching Einstein, so I assume they support double precision. Testla seems to shine under those circumstances. It will be easier for you to cool this new rig, compared to your old, which radiates 2x150W (I'm surprised the motherboard didn't melt).

Dual processor workstations are practical, but they're not designed to run at full throttle, all the time. More like short burst of intense CAD activities. I've learned this using my HP Z600 workstations. Multi-core processors need very large heatsinks - one kilo metal, each - in order to bring down the temperatures to acceptable levels during long periods of maximum load.

Cramped workstations seldom have room for these type of heatsinks. I think server boards in chimney-like, very large cases is optimal. They work with natural convection, instead of trying to divert airflows into the rear of the computer case, which 99,99% of cases are designed to do. Why? Here is an interesting article about convection and how to design a passively cooled case.

I am interested to know its performance when crunching CEP2 and UGM, as you seem to be doing. How many points it delivers, how many watts it needs and also the temperatures. Especially for CPU0.

Once again, great processors. The next 4-5 years they'll deliver energy efficient high throughput.


No, Einstein doesn't support DPFP, so performance there is not so great. To give you an example, 2 concurrent BRP6 tasks take 13k seconds on the Tesla, while on a 660 Ti it takes 18k sec. So not even twice as fast.
The only DPFP load I tried yet is Milkyway and I posted some results in the thread at XS: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?290290-New-toy-arrived
On screenshots posted there you can see the temperatures and power, I think the one was made while running E@H. I need to update it, since HWiNFO wasn't showing Tesla's parameters, which I fixed yesterday.

As for temperatures, in Fan Auto mode I get ~70 and ~50 C on those 105 W CPUs.
I am somehow disappointed with the fan Auto Mode, because it seems to favor noise over temperatures quite much. So on the T7610 (with 2x150W CPUs) the temperatures can easily climb to 80-90 C. I'm discussing this with DELL and hoping for a BIOS update...
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Vcd683s, thanks for the links.

It looks cheap. Problem is, I can only decipher the numbers. Is it possible to place a bid, or are these fixed prices?

How common are scams on sites like these? I assume there's no buyers protection similar to that on eBay? Btw, I tried Japans eBay, but it didn't return any results when I searched for Xeon ES v2.

Also, I read somewhere that ES don't have thermal monitoring due to lack of support for processor model in BIOS. True?



Mumak, if your workstation has off-the-shelf components, and you experience noise/heat problems, you can always change to a larger and more silent/cooler case. For me it would have been more difficult since the Z600 has everything redesigned, among other things the PSU and the motherboards 24V connector.
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As for ES CPUs this is very different for each CPU generation / model.
Basically Engineering Sample CPUs are those produced by Intel during final validation phases and sent to OEM/ODMs/etc for board bring-up and various validation purposes (boot, OS, thermal characteristics, performance testing, etc).
There are several stages during this process: ES0, ES1, ES2, QS, and sometimes even more. The more mature the stage is, the less critical errata are present. So in most cases QS parts are almost production quality.
But everything depends on particular CPU model and ES stage. There's no general rule that ESn won't have a certain feature and will have a certain amount of critical/non-critical bugs.
Some CPUs made it very well during the early stages, some others need more steppings and updates..

Also another thing is that ES CPUs are property of Intel and not for sale.
When checking those parts, you should verify the QDF numbers. But I think the ES database is not for public.
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So if I want it cheaper, I'll have to roll the dice a few times. With the seller. With the hardware.
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My experience of B1 cpu's combined with WCG has been all good. I have not used them for anything else however.
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What about this one? It's a B1 and it's cheap, but they don't write if both processors can be combined onto one dual motherboard. They also don't write on what motherboard it has been tested.

Is B1 better than other ES?
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The very nature of these e5 processors is that they run in dual cpu MB's

When these were first becoming available at the time when the retail cpu's were launched, the most commonly mentioned boards used for testing were thw Asus Z9PE D8 WS and the Supermicro X9-DAi. The point mentioned by most sellers was that these will only work with early bioses.... certainly not with anything later than those first v2 bios offerings. If you have a particular MB in mind the ask the seller if he considers that to be compatible.

If you need to change the bios version then a single secondhand retail e5-2603 is possibly the way to run any duallie MB for this purpose.

in the greater scheme of things the order of older to newer es cpu's is: B0, B1, .......C1 maybe C2 then retail although there are some oddballs like M1 (see Mumak's post above}

In my particular case my e5-26xx cpu's run at 2.3 but only get 2,4 at turbo fully loaded so are harder to call on the actual model number. These appear to be the same from the hardware info page photo.

I consider the maximum fully loaded speed to be the important one so for me these are e5-2650's even though they were sold as 2665's

http://www.cpu-world.com/sspec/QA/QAMU.html#related

then the C1 through to production is

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Xeon/Intel-Xeon%20E5-2660.html

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Should you decide to buy these and find you cannot run them in your chosen MB then contact me and I will be happy to buy them from you as I believe I already have a board.
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"If you need to change the bios version then a single secondhand retail e5-2603 is possibly the way to run any duallie MB for this purpose."

You mean, if I want to flash mentioned motherboards' BIOS to an earlier version that works together with ES, I should use this non-ES because it's cheap?
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Yep, I think it is the cheapest. It must be a retail cpu to be supported by ALL bios's. You might be well advised to check on the availability of early bioses.

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