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Scope of project ?

Once the dust settles a bit it would be nice to know a few more details about the project. The research page says there are going to be 200 million gene examinations for the project. Since this is a two quorum project, does this mean we are looking at 400 million WU's ? Will the WU's be in batches of 10,000? I am just trying to get feel for the potential size of the project. Thanks.

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Re: Scope of project ?

Quorum 2 through the end is confirmed, but they're sizing the tasks based on a (gene) estimator program, so the number of sequences could well be fluid. We see that now too with fahv, each task has a different number of jobs included.
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Sgt Joe,

Work units won't be in batches of 10,000. Each batch has about 1 million genes compared against 1 million genes. These are split up based on the size of the combination between the two sets. Thus some batches have 300 workunits and others may have 2500. Early estimate is there will be about 20,000 batches, but this number is not set in stone as more genes may become available.

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Thanks Uplinger
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Re: Scope of project ?

Sgt Joe,

Work units won't be in batches of 10,000. Each batch has about 1 million genes compared against 1 million genes. These are split up based on the size of the combination between the two sets. Thus some batches have 300 workunits and others may have 2500. Early estimate is there will be about 20,000 batches, but this number is not set in stone as more genes may become available.

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Re: Scope of project ?

Reading the project description I found a number saying it would take a single computer 40000 years of runtime to complete. If this is with the initial batches in mind (before any new genes get revealed), then does this mean that when the stats on WCG for this project shows 40 000 CPU years contributed, that would be the initial scope of the project?

It of course depends what is meant by "a single computer would need 40 000 years", since a single computer can be 1-many-cores/CPUs and very different performance per core...
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Doing batch 220 of 20000, that's 1.1 percent been circulated in 5 days, and one device left alone with the 'auto-opt-in' ticked in profile, but no ugm ticked as yet. Maybe never run the script as it might end sooner than desired. cool
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cool Of course it's a big assumption with anything wcg who love to keep things as foggy as can be, but if circulating the batches quasi sequentially, and it seems the order in which new tasks are being received, then now doing 00343 would mean 1.7 percent of estimated 20,000 batches has been circulated, and still my one device has not been auto-opted in. Not that it matters, yet, as it's the profile the tablet is associated with. nerd
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cool Of course it's a big assumption with anything wcg who love to keep things a foggy as can be, but if circulating the batches quasi sequentially, and it seems the order in which new tasks are being received, then now doing 00343 would mean 1.7 percent of estimated 20,000 batches has been circulated, and still my one device has not been auto-opted in. Not that it matters, yet, as it's the profile the tablet is associated with. nerd

Perhaps it's a little too early to predict an end date, but... At this rate we would finish in less than a year assuming only 20,000 batches. It might be prudent to plan our crunching accordingly.
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Re: Scope of project ?

Reading the project description I found a number saying it would take a single computer 40000 years of runtime to complete. If this is with the initial batches in mind (before any new genes get revealed), then does this mean that when the stats on WCG for this project shows 40 000 CPU years contributed, that would be the initial scope of the project?

It of course depends what is meant by "a single computer would need 40 000 years", since a single computer can be 1-many-cores/CPUs and very different performance per core...


No, it is not as simple as that. Take an old 8086, 40,000 years of computing time on that is nothing compared to 40,000 years on say an E7-8890. One has a single core/single thread and the other a 15-core/30 thread processor.

There are people who crunch on older computers and other who crunch on the latest and the greatest. Both might contribute 24-hours of computing time, but the number of results returned would be greatly different. This is why knowing the number of WU's is the better indicator as to the status of any project.
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