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Mamajuanauk
Master Cruncher United Kingdom Joined: Dec 15, 2012 Post Count: 1900 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I do this because I truly believe it will result in some cures and or medication to treat some of the diseases that have blighted mankind for too long.
----------------------------------------While I took part in the Ripple giveaway, it didn’t even cover the electricity, let alone the hardware! So no real gain there… I also enjoy building new better machines...
Mamajuanauk is the Name! Crunching is the Game!
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Falconet
Master Cruncher Portugal Joined: Mar 9, 2009 Post Count: 3295 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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My entire Ripple Journey (6 months?) provided about 1,5 months of electricity.
----------------------------------------It was nice but given the risks (already mentioned), I don't think it would be worth doing this in WCG. If a cure or treatment ever becomes available because of our work here, that will be all the compensation I need. AMD Ryzen 5 1600AF 6C/12T 3.2 GHz - 85W AMD Ryzen 5 2500U 4C/8T 2.0 GHz - 28W AMD Ryzen 7 7730U 8C/16T 3.0 GHz |
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rembertw
Senior Cruncher Belgium Joined: Nov 21, 2005 Post Count: 275 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Well,
I read the first lines of the first post and then scanned quickly to the end. After, I read the replies until the original poster appeared again. This post I did read more thouroughly. While I understand remarks about electricity cost, spent free time and so on, this project is volunteer-based and every member here knows there is no "personal real world reward" for contributing. When cost in any way becomes too much, then everyone is free to leave this project. Personally, I scaled up and down in machines different times for different reasons during my membership. At this time, they are at a low level again. With some money for my crunching, maybe I could upgrade my contribution. Or I would be motivated to install WCG on unsuspecting computers of friends who trust me when I repair their machines and make a nice business of it. Nah, the moment that somebody wants a reward for something that is given freely, I smell something fishy and would disconnect within seconds. |
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2129 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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It's great that the people posting here feel the way they do. But I would point out that the biggest spike in membership we have had came from the Ripple giveaway. That's a fact you simply can't argue with.
----------------------------------------But an ancillary lesson there was the fact that you don't have to give people very much to make donating here worth their while. I mean if you think about the pennies per day that most people got from Ripple, it was virtually nothing, but people still came. You can't view everything in black and white terms. There is a place for compensation in the world of volunteerism and we've seen that here - in quite literally graphic terms. The real issue is how you go about it. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing proposition - black or white. Honestly though, short of having another partner like Ripple Labs I don't see how this would work though. You really can't put any burden on the researchers since they aren't doing this for the money either. And the information that's developed has to be freely available if it's going to the most useful so putting restrictions on that isn't an option either. But I really don't see an issue with the concept if something could be worked out where, like with Ripple, people got some sort of nominal recognition for their contributions.   |
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Falconet
Master Cruncher Portugal Joined: Mar 9, 2009 Post Count: 3295 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Maybe lotteries could be held.
----------------------------------------Like having 3 AMD/Intel CPU's and Motherboards for those who crunched Work Units XXX. I am sure that companies like AMD and Intel wouldn't mind offering the hardware because of the many crunchers who build custom PC's. It's good publicity. AMD Ryzen 5 1600AF 6C/12T 3.2 GHz - 85W AMD Ryzen 5 2500U 4C/8T 2.0 GHz - 28W AMD Ryzen 7 7730U 8C/16T 3.0 GHz |
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Movieman
Veteran Cruncher Joined: Sep 9, 2006 Post Count: 1042 Status: Offline |
The minute that this has anything to do with money then watch my dust!!!!!!!!  Ditto.. Thank you!  |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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It's great that the people posting here feel the way they do. But I would point out that the biggest spike in membership we have had came from the Ripple giveaway. That's a fact you simply can't argue with. But an ancillary lesson there was the fact that you don't have to give people very much to make donating here worth their while. I mean if you think about the pennies per day that most people got from Ripple, it was virtually nothing, but people still came. You can't view everything in black and white terms. There is a place for compensation in the world of volunteerism and we've seen that here - in quite literally graphic terms. The real issue is how you go about it. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing proposition - black or white. Honestly though, short of having another partner like Ripple Labs I don't see how this would work though. You really can't put any burden on the researchers since they aren't doing this for the money either. And the information that's developed has to be freely available if it's going to the most useful so putting restrictions on that isn't an option either. But I really don't see an issue with the concept if something could be worked out where, like with Ripple, people got some sort of nominal recognition for their contributions. Thanks, somebody who understands the logic behind it! No I don't mean that this is to be "full time business", just some way of compensating for the el bills (now they are not that much, but in future - who knows?) & stimulating for spending on "new equipment for crunching"... for example, just looking XEON 3230 for my computer...it would be around $45...so like 2 months worth! Not that I need that XEON...just that 4cores would be nicer than 2cores of 3050!  Maybe lotteries could be held. Like having 3 AMD/Intel CPU's and Motherboards for those who crunched Work Units XXX. I am sure that companies like AMD and Intel wouldn't mind offering the hardware because of the many crunchers who build custom PC's. It's good publicity. Well, that is on WCG/IBM to talk to Intel or AMD about that...I don't think we can do something about it? Or maybe, we could...just an idea hasn't arrived yet...  |
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KerSamson
Master Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jan 29, 2007 Post Count: 1671 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Hi everybody,
----------------------------------------as a long time and faithful cruncher, I assume that I am maybe legitimate to have an opinion. 1/ I fully agree with many of you: as soon as we would start to speak about money, the game will be over because of greediness. 2/ Nobody is obligated to join WCG and to support project. Joining WCG and participating to project - ACCORDING to WCG membership charter - is a voluntary decision, where money has never been mentioned nor promised. 3/ Indeed, many of us would enjoy to experiment new, powerful, and innovative hardware for free. However, until now, neither AMD nor Intel proposed to crunchers specific hardware for free. If such opportunities would become reality, I would enjoy them! ... Nevertheless I remain faithful to WCG and ONLY to WCG since I believe in the values and honesty of WCG. It is my decision and money is neither a trigger nor an (future or current) objective. Yes, I believe in Altruism. Let me the opportunity to believe that it is valuable. Cheers, Yves |
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rembertw
Senior Cruncher Belgium Joined: Nov 21, 2005 Post Count: 275 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Well, I do not have so much to add.
I understand monetary compensation for delivered services, as I am in business myself. Also I witnessed before what greed and the chance of beating the system can do with people. When there is something to gain, then wcg can be assured of a big new spike in membership. Some will specialise in ways how to return huge quantities of fake return wu's. Ach well, I gave my 2 cents before. If there is money here to spare, then better wcg uses it for their own cores. If there is so much that they can give it away whilst foolproofing their system, then I assume their budget is large enough so they can manage without my help. Hence, I'll try to find some other worthy cause that really desperately needs my machines. Lottery? Thanks but no thanks. For the same reasons. |
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KLiK
Master Cruncher Croatia Joined: Nov 13, 2006 Post Count: 3108 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Well, I do not have so much to add. I understand monetary compensation for delivered services, as I am in business myself. Also I witnessed before what greed and the chance of beating the system can do with people. When there is something to gain, then wcg can be assured of a big new spike in membership. Some will specialise in ways how to return huge quantities of fake return wu's. Ach well, I gave my 2 cents before. If there is money here to spare, then better wcg uses it for their own cores. If there is so much that they can give it away whilst foolproofing their system, then I assume their budget is large enough so they can manage without my help. Hence, I'll try to find some other worthy cause that really desperately needs my machines. Lottery? Thanks but no thanks. For the same reasons. fake WU & problems with "error WU" - we had those with overclockers...so WCG/IBM thought that lesson! yes, you are right - money will bring new SPIKE in users & WUs...money always speeds up the process of making something happen! Also, maybe WCGC which could be earned here could only be exchanged for AMD/ATi, Intel or Nvidia stuff (graphic cards, MBO, CPUs, SSD, etc.), with some special partnership with those companies... Any money earned for new parts/machines would make less money invested from our side! Lottery? No, I don't think so! Lottery could win some inexperienced, new cruncher...who leaves WCG in a half year time...or could win someone who doesn't need it for more infrastructure... Only getting what you have "earned" with crunching seems a good and viable approach, if something came our of this idea! Nevertheless I remain faithful to WCG and ONLY to WCG since I believe in the values and honesty of WCG. It is my decision and money is neither a trigger nor an (future or current) objective. Cheers, Yves well, most of my computers run only WCG...but on some I have nvidia, ati or intel HD chipset...so they run projects like: SETI@home, rosseta@home or some other...depending on the project that can be attached to GPUs... that is not the theme of the topic...but let me just say that: researchers don't get enough of my infrastracure for not using the GPU power! ---------------------------------------- [Edit 1 times, last edit by KLiK at Aug 17, 2014 7:06:02 AM] |
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