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Mamajuanauk
Master Cruncher United Kingdom Joined: Dec 15, 2012 Post Count: 1900 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Morning again guys!
----------------------------------------I'm just running a test to see if using captainjacks suggestion will make a difference and how much. I've reduced the processor useage to 25% which is running 16 threads, which is the way I'll go with the Captains suggestion, 4 clients, 4 hdd's 16 threads each. (while these threads are running randomly on the 4 cpu's, the hdd is where the test is) My theroy is that if the hdd is the bottleneck, then this test should produce much reduced gap between elapsed and cpu times. I've also cleared down all completed tasks and stopped new ones for now, and suspended network activity to allow me to view the tasks and their properties before uploading them.. I'll report back on the results in a bit, both with interim and completed. Edit: corrected typo's!
Mamajuanauk is the Name! Crunching is the Game!
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Mamajuanauk
Master Cruncher United Kingdom Joined: Dec 15, 2012 Post Count: 1900 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Ok so 16 CEP2 wu's have been running for just over an hour...
----------------------------------------one task shows the following: CPU Time: 01:05:36 Elapsed Time: 01:07:50 Another task shows: CPU Time: 01:07:19 Elapsed Time: 01:10:20 Not looking good thus far... I'm going to check what disk it has in it...
Mamajuanauk is the Name! Crunching is the Game!
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JmBoullier
Former Community Advisor Normandy - France Joined: Jan 26, 2007 Post Count: 3716 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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It's interesting that you are ready to spend so much time on this ever lasting problem.
----------------------------------------Because when you have tried everything possible to optimise your systems (which I think are already high end/top quality ones) maybe somebody will take two old posts of mine seriously. My prognostic is that when you are short of new improvement ideas you will still be missing too many minutes of CPU time per WU. Then take the time to read these two posts: Most cores to crunch this project - Oct 25, 2011 8:48:08 AM Most cores to crunch this project - Oct 26, 2011 11:41:28 PM Then install BoincTasks (although it is a Windows program it runs very well under Wine in Ubuntu), make sure it updates frequently enough (say at least once per minute) and check yourself what I am saying in my posts. BoincTasks will divert some more CPU time from the CEP2 tasks, but what you will see will be worth that cost. I/O contention could explain that CPU time does not increase as expected (although several minutes is a bit too much in my opinion for modern disk units with plenty of cache memory), but it could never explain that CPU time goes backward. ![]() |
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Mamajuanauk
Master Cruncher United Kingdom Joined: Dec 15, 2012 Post Count: 1900 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Many thanks JmB, that puts this 'issue' in a different light, I'm going to look at this a different way now.
----------------------------------------Most likely I'll run CEP2 under my only 2 windows machines (1 x 8 + 1 x 24 cores) and use the big machines for other things, a shame but I'm not spending time and/or money to fix something that is not, to all intense and purposes 'fixable' As a final word on this issue. Many thanks for all the advice and suggestions.
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branjo
Master Cruncher Slovakia Joined: Jun 29, 2012 Post Count: 1892 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Mamajuanauk wrote: Ok so 16 CEP2 wu's have been running for just over an hour... one task shows the following: CPU Time: 01:05:36 Elapsed Time: 01:07:50 Another task shows: CPU Time: 01:07:19 Elapsed Time: 01:10:20 Not looking good thus far... I'm going to check what disk it has in it... But it is much better than in OP, isn't it? Cheers ![]() ![]() Crunching@Home since January 13 2000. Shrubbing@Home since January 5 2006 ![]() |
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Mamajuanauk
Master Cruncher United Kingdom Joined: Dec 15, 2012 Post Count: 1900 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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But it is much better than in OP, isn't it? Cheers ![]() Sorry branjo, but what are you referring to when you say 'OP' Or am I having a senior moment and it should be something I know? ![]()
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branjo
Master Cruncher Slovakia Joined: Jun 29, 2012 Post Count: 1892 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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In your Original Post you mentioned that the difference is "1 - 1.5 hours".
----------------------------------------So, if I calculated these "1 - 1.5 hours" against 18 hours (is it still the max for CEP2 task?), it is 92 - 94% utilization. In the example of your current performance, the utilization is 96%, what I consider "much better" ![]() ![]() Crunching@Home since January 13 2000. Shrubbing@Home since January 5 2006 ![]() |
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Mamajuanauk
Master Cruncher United Kingdom Joined: Dec 15, 2012 Post Count: 1900 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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In your Original Post you mentioned that the difference is "1 - 1.5 hours". So, if I calculated these "1 - 1.5 hours" against 18 hours (is it still the max for CEP2 task?), it is 92 - 94% utilization. In the example of your current performance, the utilization is 96%, what I consider "much better" ![]() Thanks, I should have known that one! The latest properties show CPU Time: 09:00:20 Elapsed Time: 09:27:47 Another task shows: CPU Time: 07:56:57 Elapsed Time: 08:18:10 Still not looking good, or is it when you work it out? Still only running 16 wu's
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Hm, that's pretty interesting. I saw your post/results and decided to check out my CEP2 efficiency as well.
I am using 4-cores of a i7-4771, 4GB RAM dedicated to BOINC, Mac OS X 10.9.2, and a 2TB 5400rpm HDD. On 4 WUs at once, I'm getting 0.9686 CPU/elapsed time efficiency. On 8 WUs at once, I was getting a horrible 0.8912 efficiency. From your most recent 4 data points, it looks like you're getting 0.9583 efficiency. I'm not familiar with multi-CPU architecture, maybe you can try dialing the cores down even more to see if there is any efficiency difference. My theory would be maybe the OS/software or motherboard is not handling the processes efficiently. |
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branjo
Master Cruncher Slovakia Joined: Jun 29, 2012 Post Count: 1892 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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97% efficiency is great taking in consideration that (
---------------------------------------- ) you are using your Mac as a main PC.CEP2 is (among all other issues) very demanding on RAM - you need 1 Giga per WU. So that is why your utilization is dropping significantly when running 8 concurrent tasks with 4 GB RAM only. Cheers ![]() ![]() Crunching@Home since January 13 2000. Shrubbing@Home since January 5 2006 ![]() |
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