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Category: Support Forum: Suggestions / Feedback Thread: Can we get an x86 Android app? BOINC just released v7.2.39 that supports it but not WCG |
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Coleslaw
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Mar 29, 2007 Post Count: 1343 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
sunfolk, x86 Android devices have been out in the wild since early releases of Android. They just aren't as common yet. Intel is having trouble with that market. However, virtual machines are what I'm more interested in and can be setup in a few minutes. I will say that it was much simpler than Linux installations in general and the option to have a Linux based OS that has an option to automatically update the BOINC client while using very little RAM is very appealing to me. I know the earlier versions of Android ran on as little as 32MB of Ram. I'm not sure the newer ones, but still much lower than most Linux distros that I have seen. (with a GUI anyways)
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sunfolk
Master Cruncher Super Kiwi Socialistic Empire Of Jacinda Joined: Oct 8, 2006 Post Count: 1769 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
sunfolk, x86 Android devices have been out in the wild since early releases of Android. They just aren't as common yet. Intel is having trouble with that market. So we have some common ground and agree with some things. However, virtual machines are what I'm more interested in But consumers aren't interested in what you are, and neither is WCG. So until then.... dream on. We wont get our dream platform unless it's in Walmart, I want WCG with SunOS 5.10 on an UltraSparc III, which Aisle is that in? |
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ErikaT
Former World Community Grid Admin USA Joined: Apr 27, 2009 Post Count: 912 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Members who demonstrate intolerance of other members or disrupt the forums will be banned Unless your name happens to be A**trolobe, in which case you can get away with breaking the rules for months and months and months with no consequences whatsoever. It's no wonder other members become frustrated, is it Ericka? *edited to appropriate forum language - ErikaT sunfolk, If you have issues with any members violating the forum rules, please report the specific post/thread. Thank you for your support! ErikaT |
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sunfolk
Master Cruncher Super Kiwi Socialistic Empire Of Jacinda Joined: Oct 8, 2006 Post Count: 1769 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
sunfolk, If you have issues with any members violating the forum rules, please report the specific post/thread. Thank you for your support! ErikaT Okey Dokey, but sometimes I guess members just hope peer pressure can get members to change... Sorry Aunty ErikaT [Edit 1 times, last edit by sunfolk at Feb 4, 2014 3:08:17 PM] |
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2129 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
sunfolk - I also think the subtext there is that Astrolube is the only one who ever reports posts.
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Former Member
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Im having the same problem - Sony Netbook running the Asus laptop build of 4.0.4. BOINC will run WCG tasks refuse to recognise the build - but forgive me if I am wrong - wouldnt gimmicking the ID of the x86 Android build to a recognised one solve this problem? Unless I'm missing something fairly fundamental this looks like a recognition issue, in as much as the system is perfectly capable of processing the data sets, but the provider/server doesnt recognise it - add the recognition data and the server should spit the relevant downloads out without issue...
It should also be noted that systems running X86 are very much more likely to be running on desktop grade processors which are in turn more likely to be more valuable in processing terms per core or processor than something you would find in a phone - and therefore proportionally more valuable to what we are trying to achieve here on a per unit basis. Given that this is the case it might be an idea to work on x86 compatibility with high priority...? |
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Coleslaw
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Mar 29, 2007 Post Count: 1343 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
rosie_uk, you are right and wrong at the same time. It is kind of that grey area. If desktops were coming pre-loaded with Android, then the masses would have access and thus worth the effort in the eyes of people like sunfolk. Regardless whether the smaller number of users who bring significant hardware to the table (the hard core dedicated cruncher) choose it or not. They can't ever choose it if it is never given the opportunity. Some people refuse to innovate but rather play in other people's play grounds. How does a project know if there is a desire or demand if those requests are drowned out by naysayers. If you look at old posts going back to 2008 at many of the now GPU capable projects, you will find a lot of people saying how it was just a fad or not worth the hassle, or even that it is too stressful on systems and shouldn't be used. Granted GPU's had the horsepower behind them to catch peoples attention. What they didn't have even back then was good energy efficiency. Most of that came later and is still a juggling act.
----------------------------------------My point is that until there is an app to test, we don't know if it will appeal to the masses or be used by the minority heavy hitters. |
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twilyth
Master Cruncher US Joined: Mar 30, 2007 Post Count: 2129 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Coleslaw: If I may translate your post, and please correct me if I don't have the gist of it:
----------------------------------------This is characteristic of the circular reasoning WCG always uses to avoid doing absolutely anything more than they have to. We can't develop a new app because there is no demand, but until we have such an app, there is no way to gauge demand. Sound familiar? |
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Coleslaw
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Mar 29, 2007 Post Count: 1343 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Very familiar. Yet, I keep asking because that seems to be the only way to create demand outside of just having hosts attached and waiting to give someone a hard number to play with...
----------------------------------------I had also pointed out the possibility of using Virtualbox like RNA, T4T, and Climate in another thread but haven't gotten a response from a Tech, CA, or scientist. https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread_thread,36221 In that scenario, we already know there is a benefit and we already have the hardware. All that would be needed at this point is an app using the wrapper. But that is a different topic altogether and should be addressed there. |
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Former Member
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I have had managers of exactly the same bent... wont let you stock hardware that *will* fail, yet whine like a Morris gearbox when it takes days to order one in specially - and blame everyone else.
----------------------------------------The problem is there are a lot of machines that are being produced with android built in - including ARM based netbook style machines - It wouldnt take much for this approach to be progressed to desktop/X86 based hardware as a OEM device. Some of these are actually starting to hit the market belatedly. There are currently several Android netbooks being offered on Dx.com for example - and at a good price.. albeit they use Cortex Axx processors. The CLB (Circularly Lazy Bugger) argument is a common one unfortunately - and the people who *do* have the ability to come up with something new are normally the sort of people who cannot cope with this sort of individual approach (such as Steve Jobs). Imagine - a batch of say 20 BIG.little processor boards built into a SMP system, its more than possible - but needs development time. Hence it never happens. I still wonder however where the recognition string that is causing the issue is located and whether it would be possible to trick the WCG server to drop data by changing it - after all this is a common trick used with Play Store - there are apps specifically to do it to get round the 'not compatible with this device' issue. Just tried the Market Helper app to see if that'd make a difference - apparently not :-( [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Feb 5, 2014 2:24:22 PM] |
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