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Re: CEP2 work units to have 18 hour limit

To avoid/minimize "Panic Mode", I recommend to upgrade BOINC to 7.0.64/.65 wink

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Re: CEP2 work units to have 18 hour limit

Finished my 1st long CEP2 WU (zero quorum) - CPU time 16.4hrs/Elapsed time 18.09hrs

Credited granted 64.9!! ! crying crying crying



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Me too - 15 hours 64.9 ... normally they have run around 4 hours with 90-130 points .... c'est la vie


The more strange thing is that sometime I receive different points than my wingman. Example:

Name: E218315_169_K.16.C12FH6NOS.00117888.2.set1d06

E218315_ 169_ K.16.C12FH6NOS.00117888.2.set1d06_ 3-- 640 Valid 9.1.2014 09:31:35 9.1.2014 22:02:49 0.70 20.9 / 87.3 <== me
E218315_ 169_ K.16.C12FH6NOS.00117888.2.set1d06_ 2-- 640 Valid 9.1.2014 09:30:20 9.1.2014 21:46:55 1.80 107.4 / 107.4
E218315_ 169_ K.16.C12FH6NOS.00117888.2.set1d06_ 1-- 640 Error 30.12.2013 09:26:50 9.1.2014 09:27:01 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
E218315_ 169_ K.16.C12FH6NOS.00117888.2.set1d06_ 0-- - No Reply 30.12.2013 09:23:31 9.1.2014 09:23:31 0.00 0.0 / 0.0

Well, rolling eyes

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Re: CEP2 work units to have 18 hour limit

branjo,

At this distance of time I'm not sure if this was ever made explicit (and I'm too lazy to try to search the forum) but I have always had the impression that the points allocation for CEP2 also takes into account the number of sub-jobs that each contributor's machine has processed, so it's not the usual arithmetic mean that's used to allocate points. If you look into the logs for each WU you might see a difference that could explain things.

I've always been sceptical that such a system might not take into proper account the different amount of time that is spent in each of the sub-jobs, so I just take it on trust that someone has put enough thought into the system for it to be reasonably fair and not too easy to cheat.
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Re: CEP2 work units to have 18 hour limit

That makes sense Apis, thanks d oh

But this one definitely doesn't:

Name: E218691_749_I.52.C38F3H15N6O5.00233577.4.set1d06

E218691_ 749_ I.52.C38F3H15N6O5.00233577.4.set1d06_ 1-- 640 Invalid 9.1.2014 09:40:58 10.1.2014 09:47:54 12.32 486.2 / 191.0 <== me
E218691_ 749_ I.52.C38F3H15N6O5.00233577.4.set1d06_ 0-- 640 Valid 8.1.2014 02:32:27 9.1.2014 09:34:53 17.47 551.8 / 551.8

chicken

ETA

Me:
Result Log

Result Name: E218691_ 749_ I.52.C38F3H15N6O5.00233577.4.set1d06_ 1--



<core_client_version>7.2.33</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>
INFO: No state to restore. Start from the beginning.
[21:44:45] Number of jobs = 16
[21:44:45] Starting job 0,CPU time has been restored to 0.000000.
[21:50:30] Finished Job #0
[21:50:30] Starting job 1,CPU time has been restored to 343.077399.
[22:08:47] Finished Job #1
[22:08:47] Starting job 2,CPU time has been restored to 1434.850398.
[04:17:01] Finished Job #2
[04:17:01] Starting job 3,CPU time has been restored to 23422.442543.
[04:38:14] Finished Job #3
[04:38:14] Starting job 4,CPU time has been restored to 24689.373464.
[04:59:07] Finished Job #4
[04:59:07] Starting job 5,CPU time has been restored to 25939.815080.
[05:18:09] Finished Job #5
[05:18:09] Starting job 6,CPU time has been restored to 27078.762781.
[05:38:42] Finished Job #6
[05:38:42] Starting job 7,CPU time has been restored to 28310.281475.
Application exited with RC = 0x1
[05:38:44] Finished Job #7
[05:38:44] Starting job 8,CPU time has been restored to 28311.591883.
[05:38:44] Skipping Job #8
[05:38:44] Starting job 9,CPU time has been restored to 28311.591883.
[05:38:44] Skipping Job #9
[05:38:44] Starting job 10,CPU time has been restored to 28311.591883.
[05:38:44] Skipping Job #10
[05:38:44] Starting job 11,CPU time has been restored to 28311.591883.
[05:38:44] Skipping Job #11
[05:38:44] Starting job 12,CPU time has been restored to 28311.591883.
Application exited with RC = 0x1
[10:06:35] Finished Job #12
[10:06:35] Starting job 13,CPU time has been restored to 44344.703859.
[10:06:35] Skipping Job #13
[10:06:35] Starting job 14,CPU time has been restored to 44344.703859.
[10:06:36] Skipping Job #14
[10:06:36] Starting job 15,CPU time has been restored to 44344.703859.
[10:06:36] Skipping Job #15
10:06:55 (3476): called boinc_finish

</stderr_txt>
]]>

Wingman:
Result Log

Result Name: E218691_ 749_ I.52.C38F3H15N6O5.00233577.4.set1d06_ 0--



<core_client_version>7.2.33</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>
INFO: No state to restore. Start from the beginning.
[21:54:01] Number of jobs = 16
[21:54:01] Starting job 0,CPU time has been restored to 0.000000.
[22:03:14] Finished Job #0
[22:03:14] Starting job 1,CPU time has been restored to 437.660805.
[22:31:59] Finished Job #1
[22:31:59] Starting job 2,CPU time has been restored to 1800.547942.
00:30:23 (6664): No heartbeat from core client for 30 sec - exiting
No heartbeat: Exiting
[00:31:37] Number of jobs = 16
[00:31:39] Starting job 2,CPU time has been restored to 1800.547942.
03:18:28 (6508): No heartbeat from core client for 30 sec - exiting
No heartbeat: Exiting
03:18:29 (6508): No heartbeat from core client for 30 sec - exiting
[03:19:13] Number of jobs = 16
[03:19:13] Starting job 2,CPU time has been restored to 1800.547942.
[13:15:28] Finished Job #2
[13:15:28] Starting job 3,CPU time has been restored to 29288.548146.
[13:47:09] Finished Job #3
[13:47:09] Starting job 4,CPU time has been restored to 30796.360211.
[14:17:42] Finished Job #4
[14:17:42] Starting job 5,CPU time has been restored to 32253.128750.
[14:47:14] Finished Job #5
[14:47:14] Starting job 6,CPU time has been restored to 33658.650959.
[15:18:14] Finished Job #6
[15:18:14] Starting job 7,CPU time has been restored to 35135.777628.
[15:53:35] Finished Job #7
[15:53:35] Starting job 8,CPU time has been restored to 36763.772864.
[16:22:18] Finished Job #8
[16:22:18] Starting job 9,CPU time has been restored to 38134.881253.
[16:53:02] Finished Job #9
[16:53:02] Starting job 10,CPU time has been restored to 39612.772327.
[17:49:56] Finished Job #10
[17:49:56] Starting job 11,CPU time has been restored to 42326.128920.
[18:30:59] Finished Job #11
[18:30:59] Starting job 12,CPU time has been restored to 44282.724662.
Application exited with RC = 0x1
[01:04:20] Finished Job #12
[01:04:20] Starting job 13,CPU time has been restored to 62901.225611.
[01:04:20] Skipping Job #13
[01:04:20] Starting job 14,CPU time has been restored to 62901.225611.
[01:04:20] Skipping Job #14
[01:04:20] Starting job 15,CPU time has been restored to 62901.225611.
[01:04:20] Skipping Job #15
01:04:46 (5700): called boinc_finish

</stderr_txt>
]]>

ETA2: but, since it is CEP2, everything is possible wink
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Re: CEP2 work units to have 18 hour limit

I'm not sure exactly what constitutes "making sense", but I don't think I'd be too dischuffed with your score on that one. Normally for an invalid that's a problem not caused by your machine but something in the WU you'd get a score that's (something like) your original claim or half the wingman's, whichever is smaller. In this case you got a bit less than that, but your machine only did 7 (or 8) steps to the wingman's 12 (or 13, depending on how you count). It seems to me that you did quite well.

Like I said, the algorithm doesn't seem all that transparent. But there are other things in life!
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Re: CEP2 work units to have 18 hour limit

Yes, I know about points for invalids. But I always thought that if 2 results do not match, there must be sent 3rd copy to confirm validity of one of them confused. In my example there were sent only 2 copies of the WU, one was market as Valid, mine as Invalid.

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Again I'm short on detailed knowledge but would suggest that both machines have done enough of the important earlier steps that the cost/benefit of sending out another copy isn't there.
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Something's screwy with the credits for these longer tasks, I was getting over 300 for 6hr + ones before.

1/10/14 21:38:29 8.90 / 9.41 64.9 / 64.9


1/10/14 21:07:37 14.81 / 15.20 64.9 / 64.9

64.9 seems to be the stand these days.
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I am claiming 64.9 as well, after 17.35 hours. At least nobody is gaining an unfair advantage. laughing

I have reported this.
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I am claiming 64.9 as well, after 17.35 hours. At least nobody is gaining an unfair advantage. laughing

I have reported this.
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Thanks Lawrence
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