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building a WCG workhorse?

Hello all,

I'm not really sure where to put this so I'lll just throw it here. I'm pretty new to WCG, and I don't fully understand the association between boinc and WCG, but I used to dedicate my CPU cycles to looking for aliens back in the day.

Anyway, I am thinking on building or buying a server that eats through work units, but I'm not really sure what the most efficient use of money is. Nothing more than a few thousand dollars to start with. Also, are there no GPU projects around currently? I can't seem to get my GPU working on anything currently.

Thanks.
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Re: building a WCG workhorse?

No GPU projects at WCG for now or in the pipeline according to many posts. You could however support other projects outside of WCG until that day comes. You may want to post what card you have if you want suggestions.

Last I knew, the i7's were still best bang for your buck when looking at long term cost/efficiency. Your power supply choice also makes a large contribution to efficiency. Running Linux on a thumb drive will most likely use less power than any hard drive. Then probably SSD would probably be next choice there. If you aren't supporting GPU work in your system, then onboard video would reduce power consumption. If you have a clean environment that supports the idea, running your setup naked allows for easier cooling without as much noise.

And welcome to WCG. If you are interested in joining a team, consider HardOCP. http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/team/viewTeamInfo.do?teamId=BP5XNJBR9N1 We also have our own forum here if you would like to stop in and say hello. http://hardforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=32
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Re: building a WCG workhorse?

I would advise 2 Xeon 2687W's. These are octo core chips that have been around for a while and run at just above 3ghz with 16 threads. You can get them for about $700 each on ebay although in many cases these will be engineering samples and will have to select your mother board carefully for compatibility. The vendor can tell you which boards have been tested to work. I've had very good luck with supermicro boards.

If you get a m/b with 2 or 3 PCI-E gen 2 or 3 slots, you'll be ready for any GPU project that comes down the road. Expect to spend another $600-800 on the mobo. That's if you buy new.

Add a few more hundred bucks for a high end PSU, memory and large case. I would get at least an E-ATX and probably EEATX. Check case compatibility with the mobo.

Cooling options for server boards tend to be limited even though the 2687W's are socket 2011. The spacing doesn't work out well for very large coolers on dual socket m/b's so check that. But your overclocking options tend to be limited anyway unless you go with one of the EVGA boards. But they use a special form factor, so keep that in mind. (HPTX)

So all tolled, you should be able to build a rig like that for around $2000-2500 assuming you buy the chips and m/b used and the case, psu and memory new.

edit: btw, these chips have a TDP of about 150watts so expect the system to pull at least 300w at full tilt with no gpu activity. When I was running the cancer project I think I had 2 or 3 HD 7950's in the system as well and the total draw was around 500w IIRC. Just FYI.
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Re: building a WCG workhorse?

Also you could build a quad cpu AMD g34 system. Motherboard for said system runs around $800 but 12 core CPU's (6100) series at least can be had for under $200. I would avoid ES (engineering sample CPU's generally).

Add in all your extras and you could have a 48 core machine for around $2000-2.5 as well. Just depends what route you want to go.

GPU would be more efficient in terms of work done per dollar but its a moot point right now since there are no GPU projects.
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Re: building a WCG workhorse?

That's a very good point. If you are going to focus on GPU work, you'll be less concerned with the capabilities of the CPU. That's not to bad mouth any AMD quad socket systems of course. You'd need to compare the bang per buck in terms of boinc points generated if you're going to compare systems based on CPU capabilities alone.

Plus I've always been a fan of AMD and would love to see them back in the race with Intel. It was just that when I built my servers, I had despaired of WCG ever getting a GPU project so I decided to try to go for the maximum power per physical core at the lowest price at the time which was about 18 months ago. I decided to go with several dual socket servers including the 2687w octo core. That was partly because of the hyperthreading architecture but also the high clock rates of those chips and the other hex and quad chips I was able to get. But I've always dreamed of having a quad socket machine. That's just not in the cards for me anytime soon.
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Re: building a WCG workhorse?

I decided to go with several dual socket servers including the 2687w octo core. That was partly because of the hyperthreading architecture but also the high clock rates of those chips and the other hex and quad chips I was able to get. But I've always dreamed of having a quad socket machine. That's just not in the cards for me anytime soon.


Those 2687's are quite impressive, but for me just could not justify spending $500-$1000+ on a single CPU, so went with the Opterons which when in a quad socket configuration do just as much output as the expensive dually Intels, depending on project and workload of course. The 48 cores really do make up for any clock speed and HT deficits.

Either option is obviously a monster system for CPU crunching, and in the end its the projects that win. coffee
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Re: building a WCG workhorse?

I was actually about to ask if this would be possible, and am happy that it is. I might not be able to set a WCG Workhorse right now, but I'm looking to build one sometime in the future (Maybe a few years from now).
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Re: building a WCG workhorse?

I recently acquired a quad socket system and quickly realized I wasn't in Kansas anymore, so to speak. The intent was to install the system, load Ubuntu, and move on. Sounded easy. I quickly realized that several desktop Linux distros didn't have the drivers to recognize the disk sub-system in the server. I downloaded and tried several server versions of LINUX and, some did and some didn't, recognize the disks but they didn't have the libraries to support BOINC like wxWidgets and even versions of libc. GUIs are not important in the server world. I figured I was being forced to go back to Windows but desktop Windows only supports up to two sockets. I just refuse to pay for a server version of Windows. I was finally able to install CentOS 6.4 and use the distributed version of 6.10.xx BOINC ( I would prefer to use the 7.0 version but...) that existed in the repositories. If you try to use anything from Berkeley you will probably have library issues. All of this can be overcome but you may find yourself recompiling the BOINC software for the Linux version that is running on the hardware.
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Re: building a WCG workhorse?

If you have trouble setting up the 4P with Linux, shoot over to our forums. We have quite a few members with quad sockets and Linux that could probably give you some assistance.
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Re: building a WCG workhorse?

Linux is probably the way to go given the fact that's what virtually all supercomputers run now (from Science News).
But since I got a Technet subscription years ago and kept renewing until they discontinued it this year, I just used the keys I got for all of the operating systems I got as a result of that. Even then though I've had the occasional problem with validation/activation.

I keep hoping that something relatively plug and play will come along for Linux, but given the audience it caters to is fairly sophisticated there's probably little hope of that, at least on the server side.

I wonder if Google has any plans for Android as a server OS. I can't really see how it would benefit them since they can simply use Linux for their server farms. IOW there's no financial incentive. And with so much moving to the cloud, which they're likely to dominate, trying to get into the industrial software market would probably just be another money pit for them. It makes sense on the consumer side as feeder for ad revenue but I can't think of any reason for their wanting to expand Android's reach to servers.
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